Tell me about Integras...

DRZ · 28 Oct 2011 at 13:35

A5 Sportback has a coupe shape but is a 5 door...

NathWraith · 28 Oct 2011 at 13:38

[TW]Fox;20424164 said:
No the 3 series convertible is... A convertible

But a Fiat 500C is a convertible also!

So a Fiat 500C would be hatchback convertible whereas a 3 series convertibel would be either

a) convertible coupe - because of the coupe shape
b) convertible hatchback - as it has more than 3 "doors" and the cabin can be accessed with out using the 2 front doors.

Scrutinize · 28 Oct 2011 at 13:38

NathWraith said:
I guess I am basing off the shape rather than the door count.

Meh. How do VW get away with calling the Scirocco a coupe when it is a hatch? And same for the Megane RS coupe?

By the "rule" ONLY 2 doors, they are not coupes but hatches.

Yet a hatchback Corsa looks nothing like a Supra yet they share the same body type "hatchback".

I feel dirty

The Scirocco was historically more coupe in shape with the lower profile roof and the new one does look squished.

I have produced a drawing showing my perception of a coupe compared to a hatch.

DRZ · 28 Oct 2011 at 13:44

NathWraith said:
But a Fiat 500C is a convertible also!

So a Fiat 500C would be hatchback convertible whereas a 3 series convertibel would be either

a) convertible coupe - because of the coupe shape
b) convertible hatchback - as it has more than 3 "doors" and the cabin can be accessed with out using the 2 front doors.

Woah woah woah

The 3 series convertible does not have a hatch at the back, therefore it is not a hatchback.

Jesus H Christ, pull yourself together. You'll be arguing the mx-5/z4r/boxster etc are hatchbacks next...

ubersonic · 28 Oct 2011 at 13:46

I think the big problem is that whereas hatchback is a relatively recent term coupé has been around for over a hundred years and means different things to different manufacturers.

hurfdurf · 28 Oct 2011 at 13:49

NathWraith said:
the cabin can be accessed with out using the 2 front doors.

Is that what equals a 3rd door? I was genuinely wondering that.

Bare in mind that some cars have a ski hatch, a small child could fit through with some effort, what would that then equal?

Bet the OP wasn't expecting this, he will be so enlightened about the intricacies of the Integra now!

hurfdurf · 28 Oct 2011 at 13:50

DRZ said:
The 3 series convertible does not have a hatch at the back, therefore it is not a hatchback.

What is a hatch?

[TW]Fox · 28 Oct 2011 at 13:50

Scrutinize said:
The Scirocco was historically more coupe in shape with the lower profile roof and the new one does look squished.

I have produced a drawing showing my perception of a coupe compared to a hatch.

Another post firmly displaying your lack of understanding on this crucial issue.

Your hatchback profile matches neither of the two hatchbacks I have owned.

The term 'hatchback' has nothing to do with profile. It does not mean a car with a steep back and a tall rear. It means, staggering, a car with a hatch back. Strange that the most literal name in car design is causing so many so much trouble.

If the car has a hatch back - ie, the rear lifts like a hatch and the rear window goes with it, it is a hatchback irrespective of what the brochure calls it.

Yes, this means that technically even an Aston Martin V8 Vantage is a hatchback and that a Honda Civic Coupe is more of a Coupe than a Porsche Cayman.

TUNE IN NEXT, HERE IN MOTORS, FOR THE OBVIOUS FOLLOWUP ARGUEMENT - 'So that means an Estate is a hatchback then'.

Jonnycoupe · 28 Oct 2011 at 13:54

NathWraith said:
But a Fiat 500C is a convertible also!

So a Fiat 500C would be hatchback convertible whereas a 3 series convertibel would be either

a) convertible coupe - because of the coupe shape
b) convertible hatchback - as it has more than 3 "doors" and the cabin can be accessed with out using the 2 front doors.

If the 500 roof was up you wont get into the cabin through the trunk opening = not hatchback.

ubersonic · 28 Oct 2011 at 13:55

[TW]Fox;20424338 said:
TUNE IN NEXT, HERE IN MOTORS, FOR THE OBVIOUS FOLLOWUP ARGUEMENT - 'So that means an Estate is a hatchback then'.

But isn't that a rear door not a hatch? (genuine question, not a joke, this is confusing).

Jonnycoupe · 28 Oct 2011 at 13:57

ubersonic said:
But isn't that a rear door not a hatch? (genuine question, not a joke, this is confusing).

It is not ingress/egress to a seating position (in most estates) so its no different to a hatchback.

The MG ZS for example had 4 door and 5 door variants. One Saloon the other a hatchback.

hurfdurf · 28 Oct 2011 at 14:00

ubersonic said:
But isn't that a rear door not a hatch? (genuine question, not a joke, this is confusing).

Scrutinize · 28 Oct 2011 at 14:00

[TW]Fox;20424338 said:
Another post firmly displaying your lack of understanding on this crucial issue.

Your hatchback profile matches neither of the two hatchbacks I have owned.

What and my coupe profile is bang on :eek:

? That is pretty much the profile of a Hyundai Coupe and roof although not front profile of a MK4 Golf (dotted line) imo

. My MS Paint Skillz must be through the roof for you to call me on this diagram so do I take this as a compliment?

National gallery here I come….

NathWraith · 28 Oct 2011 at 14:00

hurfdurf said:
Is that what equals a 3rd door? I was genuinely wondering that.

Bare in mind that some cars have a ski hatch, a small child could fit through with some effort, what would that then equal?

Bet the OP wasn't expecting this, he will be so enlightened about the intricacies of the Integra now!

I know he will be so pleased!

hurfdurf said:
What is a hatch?

Exactly, the folding roof is a hatch.

DRZ said:
Woah woah woah

The 3 series convertible does not have a hatch at the back, therefore it is not a hatchback.

Jesus H Christ, pull yourself together. You'll be arguing the mx-5/z4r/boxster etc are hatchbacks next...

There will be no argument. They all have "hatchs" maybe not at the back, I will call these - hatch tops.

Wait so a hatch top is a convertible

DRZ · 28 Oct 2011 at 14:02

It isn't a hatch.

NathWraith · 28 Oct 2011 at 14:03

DRZ said:
It isn't a hatch.

It is.

hurfdurf · 28 Oct 2011 at 14:04

NathWraith said:
It is.

What is?

DRZ · 28 Oct 2011 at 14:05

hurfdurf said:
What is?

Not a hatch

PMKeates · 28 Oct 2011 at 14:06

hurfdurf said:
What is?

That is.

[TW]Fox · 28 Oct 2011 at 14:06

Scrutinize said:
What and my coupe profile is bang on? That is pretty much the profile of a Hyundai Coupe and roof although not front profile of a MK4 Golf (dotted line) imo

Great. So what? Because a Mk4 Golf has that profile you think every hatch does? Why not draw the profile of a Mondeo?

NathWraith said:
Exactly, the folding roof is a hatch.

What? How do you come to that conclusion? It's not a hatch at all, it's an electrically folding roof. It doesn't even fit the definition of the word 'hatchback'.

Dictionary says:

a style of automobile in whichthe rear deck lid and window lift open as a unit.

No convertible fits this. All hatchbacks fit this.

There will be no argument. They all have "hatchs" maybe not at the back,

A car with no hatch at the back is not a hatchback... this is pretty simple stuff here

NathWraith said:
It is.

No, really, its not