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Another post of yours that actually contains literally no input of your own.

Britainfirst.org for anyone who wants to read more of the OP's idiotic and clearly obvious racist crap.

e : fun fact - you can tell when the OP hasn't typed his own post because although it will contain the normal hateful bile and ignorance, it's actually written in English that 'even' an immigrant could understand.

Which is more than can be said for when he writes his own material. What a ****.
 
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Bit pointless going for another debate when we've just had one. A suitable time would be when we are out of our economic mess and so is the Eurozone.
 
simulatorman said:
Bit pointless going for another debate when we've just had one. A suitable time would be when we are out of our economic mess and so is the Eurozone.
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Agreed. Why do you want another debate, there isn't enough time for Parliament to discuss everything as it is so why clog it up with more pointless rubbish?

We ought to have the debate at the appropriate time, changing trade agreements whilst everything is in a big mess is not the right time.
 
The problem isn't getting the debate and the vote, but if there is a referendum the options will be chosen by the government, who have a vested interest in the outcome of the vote, so the options will essentially be:

Yes.

Not no.


Just like the AV referendum, when we didn't get the all the options we wanted, which were stay with FPTP, change to AV, or change to proportional representation. We had only two of those choices.
 
simulatorman said:
Bit pointless going for another debate when we've just had one. A suitable time would be when we are out of our economic mess and so is the Eurozone.
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You mean like before the crisis when it was too good a union to leave?

Politicians are just making up whatever excuses they can to block any sort of public referendum, if we don't get a referendum now we will never get one.
 
mmj_uk said:
You mean like before the crisis when it was too good a union to leave?

Politicians are just making up whatever excuses they can to block any sort of public referendum, if we don't get a referendum now we will never get one.
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And the problem with not getting it, is ...?
 
I don't think we should have a referendum as most people I've met have no knowledge of the issues and will vote anyway on the basis of some racist/xenophobic reaction.

I would offer that we should perform a test on EU issues that you have to pass with 80% or more before you can vote.
 
LoGaN_TnT said:
A new system brought in recently means that if any of these e-petitions reaches 100,000 signatures it automatically triggers a debate in Parliament.
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That's not strictly true, if it reaches 100,000 signatures then it automatically goes to a back bench committee who will then consider the possibility of putting it forward for a debate in Parliament proper and then potentially a vote should it be deemed suitable.

I won't be signing the petition anyway, I'm not especially dissatisfied with the continuing relationship with the EU. I'm not entirely comfortable that there was a three line whip to ensure the result but that aside I think the end result is the right one.
 
Id say a vote to get Westminster discussing on a public vote of the EU, its hardly like they can say no to their population directly, ;).

Frankly after the scandal that labour pulled with the Lisbon treaty, its only fair.

I wish people would start using the politicians own retarded rhetoric against them, that way, we can slip them up when ever we like.
 
Dabbles said:
The problem isn't getting the debate and the vote, but if there is a referendum the options will be chosen by the government, who have a vested interest in the outcome of the vote, so the options will essentially be:

Yes.

Not no.
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This tbh, should there be a referendum, UK gov will phrase the question in such a manner that they are guaranteed to get the answer they want, or, they will just keep asking the same question over & over again, whilst slightly rephrasing it time each as per Irelands approach.
 
mmj_uk said:
You mean like before the crisis when it was too good a union to leave?

Politicians are just making up whatever excuses they can to block any sort of public referendum, if we don't get a referendum now we will never get one.
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Why shouldn't they? It is their responsibility to make sure they do best for the country and to be quite blunt about it most of the public don't really have a clue when it comes to the EU so I wouldn't trust the public to come to an informed opinion about something as complex and important as this.
 
Dolph said:
I'll support a referendum when voting qualification requirements are introduced...
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Jeremy Hardy made the point on the News Quiz last night that this EU referendum business basically highlights that our universal suffrage doesn't quite work. The majority of the population want a referendum on this matter, and it seems a lot want to opt out of the EU. This may be a good or bad idea, but either way the majority want it. However, they're not allowed to vote on it. Go go gadget democracy.
 
[FnG]magnolia;20430863 said:
Britainfirst.org for anyone who wants to read more of the OP's idiotic and clearly obvious racist crap.
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I don't know about britainfirst as I haven't looked at it however I don't see anything actually in the OP that is racist. It certainly wasn't an original thought and doesn't have the OP's point of view of if he thinks we should leave the EU and why he thinks that but, assuming by his post he wants Britain to be out of the EU, it isn't racist.

However, on the subject of being in the EU, I don't pretend to know enough on the subject to have an informed view as I am sure many other people don't. If it came to a vote though it is something I would have to really look into as it would have such a large effect on the country.
 
I think we should be in Europe, but on our own terms, not those dictated by Franco-German centric EU policy that pervades the EU at the moment.
 
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