**The Official Nokia Lumia 800 Thread***

bam0 said:
The Android handset builders don't have to license anything from Google, they need to follow certain guidelines if they want to add Google's apps to Android but they don't have to pay for it. As for Nokia/Android; MS offered them billions of dollars, Google didn't, it's not hard to see why they went the way they did.
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Most Android handset builders have to pay Microsoft for each device they sell.

Edit - I think google did offer quite a bit to Nokia although i cant find a source. They probably should have rather than buying motorolla as it would have probably killed WP7.
 
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bam0 said:
It's nothing to do with efficiency, simply Android allows true multitasking and so can take advantage of dual core CPUs, WP7 doesn't so they'd probably provide no benefit at a potential battery life cost.
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Thanks for the explanation, I am not up to speed on the mobile market or hardware etc as I stepped away from smart phones at the beginning of the year in favour of a 5-7 day battery life.

I find myself really drawn to this phone.
 
This phone is going to take off. I think girls are going to love this because it does look "cool" and "fashionable" and "trendy". Girls love this sort of thing.

The reason why its going to take off is because of all the marketing, publicity, tv adverts, sponsorships etc etc.

Nokia and MS have really poured a lot into this interms of money and advertising and i think they are gonner sell loads.

The look and OS is really nice aswell. It just looks so clean and effortless.

I wouldnt buy one but i do like it.
 
Scrutinize said:
1)Are Microsoft and Nokia in any danger of the patent wars that are plaguing android and the hardware manufacturers? Are they at the mercy of having to license any of their designs and techs from Apple or Google, or will they be at the top of the patent food chain? Do they (esp Nokia) know something more telling which is why we haven’t seen the nokia / android partnership. We all know Apple’s view of Android.

2)If conventional marketing fails, Microsoft and Nokia have the option to invest on an unprecedented scale to gain market share (like the xbox 360) if they so wish.

3)There is still a lot of love for Nokia and Microsoft from consumers.

4)Dual core is needed to overcome the limitations of Android OS and how efficiently the OS & Apps inc games run on it. Is this the same for W7/W8?
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If anything, Android (which we know some manufacturers using this OS as paying microsoft $5-10 per handset) is more at risk from MS. Apple also needs to watch out. We know it paid a one off $400m to Nokia and licenses Nokia technology

As for dual core. WP7 simply doesn't need it, and couldn't use it even if it was available.
 
bam0 said:
It's nothing to do with efficiency, simply Android allows true multitasking and so can take advantage of dual core CPUs, WP7 doesn't so they'd probably provide no benefit at a potential battery life cost.
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Is this really true? I'd need Sarge in here to confirm this but AFAIK android uses stop states rather than true SMP. I'm not saying multicore doesn't help but it's not really true multitasking when it's using the state system. Robbo's also right about dual core not being essential - it's a nice to have right now but in no way a requirement for a good phone for the majority of handset sales.
bam0 said:
There really isn't, you may not have noticed but MS don't make a bit thing out of associating the parent brand with Xbox, the latter has a cachet of "cool" that MS doesn't. If you don't believe me take a look pictures of the xbox 360 packaging and see where Microsoft have put their name on it and compare it to Sony's packaging of the PS3.
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I don't really like calling people out on things like this but honestly, Nokia still have one of the highest brand relationship indexs in the handset market which is the much more important thing. MS or not, the top thing that sells handsets is the manu brand not the OS and Nokia have this in spades, wp7 is just the hand they get dealt when they use it after leaving the shop :)

Phones gonna sell a crapload opinions be damned, Nokia are flooding the world with stock.
 
lol noobs,

Nokia will be making a Windows Phone with a GPU pushing out over 200 GFLOPS sometime in 2013.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/02/st-ericssons-novathor-to-power-nokias-windows-phone-devices-l/

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Is this really true? I'd need Sarge in here to confirm this but AFAIK android uses stop states rather than true SMP.
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Yeah, Android doesn't have full on multitasking yet. I think WP can already make use of multi core SoCs too, it's just not in the chassis spec yet.
 
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Myshra said:
I don't really like calling people out on things like this but honestly, Nokia still have one of the highest brand relationship indexs in the handset market which is the much more important thing. MS or not, the top thing that sells handsets is the manu brand not the OS and Nokia have this in spades, wp7 is just the hand they get dealt when they use it after leaving the shop :)

Phones gonna sell a crapload opinions be damned, Nokia are flooding the world with stock.
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I should have made it more clear, but I thought it was rather obvious, that I was only talking about Microsoft in that part, if they've got some sense when it comes to the advertising they'll keep their name subtle or away from Nokia's. Tbh I'm surprised they named their new mobile OS Windows anything, it's not like they brought a lot of good will with them from Windows Mobile.
 
Myshra said:
Is this really true? I'd need Sarge in here to confirm this but AFAIK android uses stop states rather than true SMP. I'm not saying multicore doesn't help but it's not really true multitasking when it's using the state system. Robbo's also right about dual core not being essential - it's a nice to have right now but in no way a requirement for a good phone for the majority of handset sales.
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http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html

You can write apps that can continue to provide complex and varied levels of processing while not being the foreground app, this is multitasking at a far higher level than WP7 or iOS offer and why dual core CPUs and more RAM can be effectively used on Android.
 
englishpremier said:
If anything, Android (which we know some manufacturers using this OS as paying microsoft $5-10 per handset) is more at risk from MS. Apple also needs to watch out. We know it paid a one off $400m to Nokia and licenses Nokia technology

As for dual core. WP7 simply doesn't need it, and couldn't use it even if it was available.
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I didn't realise this :eek:

so coupled with this
To compare some numbers on their Q2 call Google said they'd averaged 500,000 activations per day, that's 45 million new Android devices that quarter
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that is a healthy boost to MS profits

Myshra said:
I don't really like calling people out on things like this but honestly, Nokia still have one of the highest brand relationship indexs in the handset market which is the much more important thing. MS or not, the top thing that sells handsets is the manu brand not the OS and Nokia have this in spades, wp7 is just the hand they get dealt when they use it after leaving the shop :)

Phones gonna sell a crapload opinions be damned, Nokia are flooding the world with stock.
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That's what I initially thought
 
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RKO said:
If I were ever to leave the iPhone it'd be for this. That's saying something.
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This is what I mean.

Microsoft and Nokia are going down the route of selling a high quality user experience in a nice package. Which is exactly what Apple do.

They are not going down the Samsung route of "SPEC THIS, SPEC THAT", the former is always going to be better. Always.
 
My contract is up for renewal soon, coming from an iphone 4. The 4s did not interest me one bit - too much money yet again for the same phone - spec upgrade/SIRI does not do anything for me to be honest. Not a fan of android, so this is coming out just at the right time for me.

It's been a while that Nokia have got my interest back...am sure a lot of people had fond memories of Nokia from the past as well. What I find interesting is that for the first time in a long while everyone around me knows about a new Nokia phone coming out - something is definitely working for MS/Nokia in their marketing department.

The phone looks and feels great. I believe this will be a great alternative to the iphone for those who want a simple user interface (without all the perceived fiddling of android) that works out of the box. If priced aggressively, I think they will make a dent in the market. MS and Nokia have the might to do this.

At the end of the day, having 3 platforms is always better for competition than 2.

What will be interesting to see is if the fashion accessory that is the iphone will become unfashionable? The iphone has lost its exclusiveness because every tom dick and harry has one.
 
Robbo said:
This is what I mean.

Microsoft and Nokia are going down the route of selling a high quality user experience in a nice package. Which is exactly what Apple do.

They are not going down the Samsung route of "SPEC THIS, SPEC THAT", the former is always going to be better. Always.
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Have you seen the recent Samsung GS2 adverts? They aren't making a big thing out the specs either, they're showing effortless use of their device to complement someones life, completely non techy. They're very much trying to sell the experience, but what they're also doing is letting tech sites fap all over the specs of their devices because that is what that crowd want.
 
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Also, what's the first thing all those iPhone 4S posters/adds say? "Dual-Core A5 chip" and "7x faster graphics" :p
Apple are no different to Samsung when it comes to specs but they are more focused on the 'end to end' user experience.

Anand has the best explanation.

Anandtech iPhone 4S review said:
Apple has somehow managed to get a lot of the mainstream press to believe it doesn't care about specs and that it competes entirely based on user experience.
Simply looking at the facts tell us a different story entirely. Apple has been at the forefront of the mobile hardware race, particularly if we look at the iOS platform as a whole (iPad + iPhone). Apple was among the first to move from ARM11 to the Cortex A8, and once again with the move to the A9. On the GPU side Apple has been even more aggressive.

The truth of the matter is Apple is very focused on user experience, but it enables that experience by using the fastest hardware available on the market.
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The 800 is desirable because it's so damn HOT and WP7 gets the basics spot on! (If it was just another generic shiny black plastic phone with identical specs and features no-one would care :p)
MS/Nokia will kick on and compete with Apple/Android OEMs next year :)
 
bam0 said:
Have you seen the recent Samsung GS2 adverts? They aren't making a big thing out the specs either, they're showing effortless use of their device to complement someones life, completely non techy. They're very much trying to sell the experience, but what they're also doing is letting tech sites fap all over the specs of their devices because that is what that crowd want.
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That's new though, all of the adverts I've seen for it have been making a big deal out of tech spec related things, usually the screen.
 
Robbo said:
This is what I mean.

Microsoft and Nokia are going down the route of selling a high quality user experience in a nice package. Which is exactly what Apple do.

They are not going down the Samsung route of "SPEC THIS, SPEC THAT", the former is always going to be better. Always.
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There has been an arms race but that will die down- it already has imo. Screens aren't going to get much better than we have now and the latest high-end phones are extremely fast/smooth. Just like PC's did a few years ago, the average phone will soon reach a stage where they will do everything that 95% of it's user need. Oddly enough the main reason to continue pushing for better hardware will be gaming which is one of Microsoft's key advantages over Apple(on Windows and the portfolio of games that it has access to) but they have ignore that on their mobile platform... so far.
 
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