Muslims Against Crusades to be banned from midnight

RDM · 10 Nov 2011 at 16:21

Moothead2 said:
If we did something on a similar level in the middle of Baghdad we'd be stoned to death. A ban is the absolute minimum in my opinion.

Surely that is the point though? We do not like nor want to be that sort of culture?

platypus · 10 Nov 2011 at 16:24

Allnamestaken said:
Ugh stuff like this makes me sad to be asian when i have idiots like this bringing the rest us down.

Ethnicity has nothing to do with it. We all have our own stupid hate groups.

cotton_flex · 10 Nov 2011 at 16:26

This joke of a group was never taken seriously by anybody other than the daily mail armchair warriors.

I guess it's her way of deflecting the short attention span of such readers away from the border security fiasco.

Boo hoo politicians! All is forgiven now!

cheets64 · 10 Nov 2011 at 16:28

KNiVES said:
I don't like them or what they stand for, but there's two things - the right to protest and the right to an opinion. Just because we don't agree with their views doesn't mean we should ban them. It's hypocrisy that groups like the EDL, whilst under strict surveillance, are allowed to do virtually the same thing but at the other extreme end.

True but EDL only formed due to the rise of Sharia law and Islamic extremism in England, do you think people just set up groups like this for fun and they are bored, they have a real meaning but its hijacked by a lot of misguided people that see it as right to attack people,

We should be sitting down with all the groups and talking about why they dislike the UK and its policies. Then you have groups like Unite Against Fascism being all liberal and saying "its ok"

G|mp · 10 Nov 2011 at 16:52

cheets64 said:
True but EDL only formed due to the rise of Sharia law and Islamic extremism in England, do you think people just set up groups like this for fun and they are bored, they have a real meaning but its hijacked by a lot of misguided people that see it as right to attack people,

We should be sitting down with all the groups and talking about why they dislike the UK and its policies. Then you have groups like Unite Against Fascism being all liberal and saying "its ok"

You might want to get your facts straight before you start claiming to be the font of all knowledge on the subject.

So the EDL was formed because of Sharia law and Islamic extremists?

What about the BNP? What about the NF in the 70's? or are they all a bi product of eachother with fine lines between all of them? I completely agree with everything you said in the OP but you're just talking **** again now.

KNiVES · 10 Nov 2011 at 16:56

cheets64 said:
True but EDL only formed due to the rise of Sharia law and Islamic extremism in England, do you think people just set up groups like this for fun and they are bored, they have a real meaning but its hijacked by a lot of misguided people that see it as right to attack people,

We should be sitting down with all the groups and talking about why they dislike the UK and its policies. Then you have groups like Unite Against Fascism being all liberal and saying "its ok"

Why is it ok for the EDL to behave the way they are, and not MAC?

RomanNose · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:09

I don't really support this, it's kind of infringing on their right to protest. I dislike the group but I don't think groups should be banned just because they are controversial.

XPE · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:19

RomanNose said:
I don't really support this, it's kind of infringing on their right to protest. I dislike the group but I don't think groups should be banned just because they are controversial.

There is a difference between controversial and a clear intent to incite hatred, which is what they are doing.

RomanNose · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:23

XPE said:
There is a difference between controversial and a clear intent to incite hatred, which is what they are doing.

Then let the members be prosecuted for it, not everyone in the group will hold the same views and perform the same actions..
Loads of other minority groups who might seem to be "inciting hatred" such as EDL, why aren't they banned?
We are not a free country if we ban controversial opinions, especially banning groups which only a few of the members commit crime.

jamesblade · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:24

RomanNose said:
I don't really support this, it's kind of infringing on their right to protest. I dislike the group but I don't think groups should be banned just because they are controversial.

Fella there's protesting and there's burning poppys and flags. Sing dance and wave placards all they like but you start to deface national symbols that have meaning to people and your intentionaly crossing a line..

As has been mentioned though, it's a very short term answer, a new name will see them back "protesting"

Robbo · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:25

Good start.

Now we just need to authorise the execution of these moronic, evil retards and all will be well.

fez · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:26

Man I love religion. Only religion allows you to talk such utter magical tripe and not have every single person in the world laugh at you. I will agree though, problems are much easier to solve / ignore when you can fix them with magic.

I want my free gas and oil.

mrk · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:27

Muslims against crusades are as moronic as the Westboro Baptist Church people. Everyone I know is sincere but none of them support the kind of things these people say they stand for.

Just one extreme to another regardless of religion all over the World.

gillywibble · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:28

Robbo said:
Good start.

Now we just need to authorise the execution of these moronic, evil retards and all will be well.

Tolerance, brother. Tolerance.

RomanNose · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:29

jamesblade said:
Fella there's protesting and there's burning poppys and flags. Sing dance and wave placards all they like but you start to deface national symbols that have meaning to people and your intentionaly crossing a line..

As has been mentioned though, it's a very short term answer, a new name will see them back "protesting"

I am not even sure if burning poppies and flags are illegal, might be considered as inciting racial hatred.. I don't really care that someone is burning a poppy, people just need to man up and see that being offended should never warrant the censorship of others. It does not mean that their views should be censored by the state. If offensive views were banned then I am pretty sure that a large majority of civil rights movements would have never have had happened.
If some of them are breaking the law then they should be punished.

TJM · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:34

Unpopular Home Sec does something populist. I wonder why.

RomanNose said:
I don't really support this, it's kind of infringing on their right to protest. I dislike the group but I don't think groups should be banned just because they are controversial.

There's more to it than just the poppy-burning. Al-Muhajiroun was banned for glorifying terrorism (e.g. Mohammed Atta and the gang were called the Magnificent 19) and MAC is the same group under a different name, according to the Home Office.

With that said, I don't agree with the banning. Are we all children who can't live with those meanies and their awful beliefs? Theresa, save us!

cheets64 · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:41

G|mp said:
You might want to get your facts straight before you start claiming to be the font of all knowledge on the subject.

So the EDL was formed because of Sharia law and Islamic extremists?

What about the BNP? What about the NF in the 70's? or are they all a bi product of eachother with fine lines between all of them? I completely agree with everything you said in the OP but you're just talking **** again now.

Fine lines? So just because one group hates all coloured people no matter what and another group hates extremist religious groups that has a high membership of coloured people, then those groups are all the same?

KNiVES said:
Why is it ok for the EDL to behave the way they are, and not MAC?

Last time I looked the EDL are a legitimate political movement, what way do they behave?

RomanNose said:
I am not even sure if burning poppies and flags are illegal, might be considered as inciting racial hatred.. I don't really care that someone is burning a poppy, people just need to man up and see that being offended should never warrant the censorship of others. It does not mean that their views should be censored by the state. If offensive views were banned then I am pretty sure that a large majority of civil rights movements would have never have had happened.
If some of them are breaking the law then they should be punished.

Does it matter if they have broken a law or not?

Most British people want people to stop doing it and ask politely thats it, someone burns a Koran or draws a picture of Mohammed and you get fire bombed/stabbed or fatwa place on your head.

Push comes to shove and hence why more and more people follow and become interested in certain movements.

G|mp · 10 Nov 2011 at 17:52

cheets64 said:
Fine lines? So just because one group hates all coloured people no matter what and another group hates extremist religious groups that has a high membership of coloured people, then those groups are all the same?

It's probably best you don't try and come across as intelligent and knowledgeable about the subject to be honest, you're only going to fall on your arse.

What you've done is read the first line of the EDL's wiki page and then posted like you know everything.

PermaBanned · 10 Nov 2011 at 18:00

RomanNose said:
Then let the members be prosecuted for it, not everyone in the group will hold the same views and perform the same actions..
Loads of other minority groups who might seem to be "inciting hatred" such as EDL, why aren't they banned?
We are not a free country if we ban controversial opinions, especially banning groups which only a few of the members commit crime.

I have to agree with Roman here, no i don't agree with what they do, but they're not actually harming anybody. Unlike the EDL.

Danthus · 10 Nov 2011 at 18:01

What an utterly ridiculous thing to ban the organisation.