http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=24659
Wonder if this will find it's way into the KA
Wonder if this will find it's way into the KA
FORD REVEALS 125HP ENGINE - OF JUST 1000CC
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can't wait
In fairness small economical engines are going to be the future for the majority of the market.
As for the 125hp it sounds about normal given what smaller engines like 700cc 3 clyinder turbo charged units put out.
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this is going to be a really big thing in the coming years, vauxhall are also doing a 1.4VVT 138Bhp for the 2012 models of most cars including the astra,insignia and zafira. Only problem i see is that the these new engines carry around a £1000-£1500 premium over there 1.6/1.8 counterparts. So you'd need to be owning for at least 2 years minimum to re-coup that cost back.
although its good to see big companys ding this its hardly a massive leap, look at the ibiza range, they have a 1.4 178bhp engine thats full of win 
all be it not as economical
also take into account bikes, a gsxr's 1000cc engine is 160bhp and with a decent turbo kit it is 250bhp, makes fords effort look not so great
all be it not as economicalalso take into account bikes, a gsxr's 1000cc engine is 160bhp
and with a decent turbo kit it is 250bhp, makes fords effort look not so great
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Yep. Kawasaki/BMW 1000cc (N/A) has near enough 200bhp so its not exactly pushing the realms of capability or beyond them - esp with a turbo.
How long itll last and how reliable it is will be the true question. Quality of parts is coming forward so no reason why a relatively tuned 1000cc cant be sold to the mass market.
How long itll last and how reliable it is will be the true question. Quality of parts is coming forward so no reason why a relatively tuned 1000cc cant be sold to the mass market.
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It's going in the Mondeo as well, that much I know.
I think on a packaging front the engine's very impressive - Ford says its footprint is smaller than a sheet of A4 paper. They don't mention ancilleries or manifolds, though.
Downsides? It's not tax exempt (so far), and the fuel consumption doesn't seem that brilliant. Not enough to justify downsizing. The 1.6-litre EcoBoost (which is a very punchy and flexible engine) in the current Focus is claimed to average almost 48mpg.
Still, I look forward to trying it. Be interesting to see what its power delivery and performance is like.
I think on a packaging front the engine's very impressive - Ford says its footprint is smaller than a sheet of A4 paper. They don't mention ancilleries or manifolds, though.
Downsides? It's not tax exempt (so far), and the fuel consumption doesn't seem that brilliant. Not enough to justify downsizing. The 1.6-litre EcoBoost (which is a very punchy and flexible engine) in the current Focus is claimed to average almost 48mpg.
Still, I look forward to trying it. Be interesting to see what its power delivery and performance is like.
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That Horsepower comes from a peaky engine that is geared down on the primary drive, the torque is quite low for the engine size and that doesn't make for a pleasant drive in a road car. (ford 1.6l ecoboost is 180 ftlbs and a Hayabusa is closer 95 ftlbs, I would imagine this 1000cc is around 120-130 ftlbs)
If you drop the rpm to car ranges 6-7000 the BHP and Torque both become poor.
(bhp = torque x rpm/5252)
Then add in the fact that those revvy engines won't get close to 50+ mpg ranges, there is so much that makes this kind of engine different from a bike.
What you have to focus on (no pun intended) is that Ford and other manufacturers are making mainstream smaller engines running on petrol with respectable performance, that makes a change from all the diseasals.
Considering that 125bhp is 1/2 of what Chevrolet were getting from a 5.7L V8 just 20 years ago the yanks have come a long way fast
as thats because its a UK developed engine...
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Considering that 125bhp is 1/2 of what Chevrolet were getting from a 5.7L V8 just 20 years ago the yanks have come a long way fast
Oh look, the world's most useless comparison
It only delivers a peak of 200Nm of torque. Tsk, that's 268Nm (57%) less than the 20-year old Chevrolet V8. How technology is marching backwards!
Etc....
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Ahh didn't realise that, just saw a US company and thought yanks lol, guess they still have a long way to go.
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Yeah the turbo does take away the achievement of it.
However I am sure it has excellent economy and CO2, as that is probably the main objective on this engine.
However I am sure it has excellent economy and CO2, as that is probably the main objective on this engine.
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Agreed.
In terms of power output it's hardly the spectacular achievement that some seem to think, the Daihatsu Charade managed 105bhp from a 1liter 3 cylinder engine 24 years ago. The advances will (hopefully) come in fuel efficiency and control systems that don't make it feel too much like turbocharged 1 liter engines used to.
I don't understand why people say it's not impressive seeing as it's got a turbo etc. The turbo is there to make it a more effortless drive and to improve efficiency. It's no longer the 80's.
In testing they were having problems with pre det. Not sure what power they were trying to get out of it initially though.
In testing they were having problems with pre det. Not sure what power they were trying to get out of it initially though.