Incapcity Benefit, I'm on it.
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Yep.
Legitimate problems? Fine.
Oooh, me back hurts, I can't work, give me money... Then caught rock climbing? Not so much.
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What worries me about Atos is decisions are being made by what they refer to as a "health care professional" which and range from a nurse to a physiotherapist. Quite a few of the Doctors that do participate (if that is the correct word) are being investigated for professional misconduct. Much of the medical information, if not all of it is being ignored by these so called health professionals,and the Dwp managers are just rubber stamping the assessments usually made by unqualified and unsympathetic personell getting paid by results. Only last week I came across a case of somebody I knew who is that ill they can't go out alone and sometimes cannot even make it to the toilet. This particular individual suffers from an incurable illness and has been told he has to go to work related activity groups?
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Less talky, more worky?
Kidding. Just be honest and I'm sure you'll be fine
Kidding. Just be honest and I'm sure you'll be fine
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Same here, don't care as long as it's a genuine case.
As always though the many ruin it for the few, so they make it harder to claim them to try and stop the people who shouldn't be claiming them from doing so.
As always though the many ruin it for the few, so they make it harder to claim them to try and stop the people who shouldn't be claiming them from doing so.
Wouldn't worry about it too much. The benefits you claim don't dissapear into thin air, it all depends on what you spend your money on, so your money will be recirculated into the economy anyway and will pay peoples salaries. Out of interest bankers in 2010 got almost £7 Billion in bonuses thats a type of welfare in itself.
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It's really not though, Jesus H. For a start I mean, the measure of a 'society' can be taken by the way in which it treats it's less well off.. But, I just can't see a genuine ICB claimant as a drain on society.. On the annual financial budget maybe (and even then it's an infinitely more complex issue than you're addressing here), but on society?, how very offensive.
People on IB are NOT a drain on society, that's like saying cancer patients on the NHS are!! The only people I 'judge' are those generally on JSA or Child Benefits who can't be bothered to get off their arses and go get a job cause they live just dandy off their children! People on IB, I never think badly of them. Yeah, there might be some fiddling the government, but I think a large percent of people on IB actually need it and cannot actually work!!
There is also a disturbing lack of understanding when it comes to mental disabilities, even today, where we are more open minded! As some one who might be looking at being not able to work in the future, things like these do scare me, I have already been judged for being on and off JSA, once all my early onset stuff starts kicking in, I don't want to be judged for being on IB either :/
There is also a disturbing lack of understanding when it comes to mental disabilities, even today, where we are more open minded! As some one who might be looking at being not able to work in the future, things like these do scare me, I have already been judged for being on and off JSA, once all my early onset stuff starts kicking in, I don't want to be judged for being on IB either :/
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Well in purely economic terms they are.
I think there's only a minority who are genuinely incapable of doing any form of work.
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Here's the break down
That totals about 1.7 million people claiming IB. The working population in the UK is 29 million which means ~5% don't work due to an ailment. To me that figure just doesn't make sense.
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This is my view on it.
There is a difference between those who can't work and those who can't be arsed to work.
I am afraid when someone says they are on incapacity I just think they either sleep in until midday then play COD until 4am or claim they have back problems and work as a builder on the side.
I realise this is not true for a large proportion of people who claim this benefit.
Well in purely economic terms they are.
I think there's only a minority who are genuinely incapable of doing any form of work.
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Here's the break down
That totals about 1.7 million people claiming IB. The working population in the UK is 29 million which means ~5% don't work due to an ailment. To me that figure just doesn't make sense.
Speaking as a high functioning sufferer of a depression type illness I can tell you that it is trivially easy to get diagnosed with depression, so if you wanted to scam the system, that'd certainly be a good way of doing it...
Although lol at the 130k people who are on IB for "unknown causes". Seriously, WTF.
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It is a little suspect to say the least. The problem is if any government tries to tackle the problem (and there clearly is a problem) then inevitably they'll be the odd case where they inadvertently cut the benefits of a genuine sufferer and the press will jump on it.
It also expensive to asses and continually re-asses people to validate their claim.
Breakdown of welfare spending if anyone is interested. Remember that unemployed people create a lot of jobs, they don't create growth but it not like the government are just throwing money down a black hole, it has social implications as well as has been said. Help the poor and sick.
people who desserve these sort of things should get them without a doubt but Ppeople who take advantage of the system really get on my nerves...
My mother was involved in a car accident which left her 'unfit' for work, she's on 20+ tablets a day... she has always been a worker and cannot stand being in the house but she can hardly walk and suffers seveer pain in her back and legs due to the accident. Im not too clued up on the medical terms of her diagnosis but basically her body aches most of the time and she is now suffering from an awful spread of athritis (all linked) which has started to make simple tasks like opening fizzy pop bottles an absolute mission as she cannot find the strength to do so.
Her doctor has declared her uneligable to work for the rest of her life due to various other things that have gotten worse from the accident but after making an attempt to claim for bennefits she has been reffused time and time again.... I know people who have claimed bennefits all their lives and have never worked a day yet they cannot give them to someone who desserves them
Excuse my rant but im sure theres many folk on here who have seen simillar situations but like I said, theres people who desserve it and people who don't
My mother was involved in a car accident which left her 'unfit' for work, she's on 20+ tablets a day... she has always been a worker and cannot stand being in the house but she can hardly walk and suffers seveer pain in her back and legs due to the accident. Im not too clued up on the medical terms of her diagnosis but basically her body aches most of the time and she is now suffering from an awful spread of athritis (all linked) which has started to make simple tasks like opening fizzy pop bottles an absolute mission as she cannot find the strength to do so.
Her doctor has declared her uneligable to work for the rest of her life due to various other things that have gotten worse from the accident but after making an attempt to claim for bennefits she has been reffused time and time again.... I know people who have claimed bennefits all their lives and have never worked a day yet they cannot give them to someone who desserves them
Excuse my rant but im sure theres many folk on here who have seen simillar situations but like I said, theres people who desserve it and people who don't
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on what grounds was she refused?
You know what?
As much of a complete and utter ****ing ******** that I am, I will always be happy to support those that need it.
Yes, I'll take the percentage of those who don't deserve it, because to be honest, it's a measure of our society and how we view each other.
One under God and all that.
P.s Yes I am drunk as a skunk.
As much of a complete and utter ****ing ******** that I am, I will always be happy to support those that need it.
Yes, I'll take the percentage of those who don't deserve it, because to be honest, it's a measure of our society and how we view each other.
One under God and all that.
P.s Yes I am drunk as a skunk.
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Your right to be worried, they stopped my incapacity after I failed a medical and have been messing me about ever since.
It didn't matter what was wrong with me, all they wanted to know was can I move my head from side to side, get up from one seat and sit into another and pass an eye test on a chart which had no small letters on it.
The lady at the medical said I would get all the help I needed if I was deemed fit to work, when I got the letter a few weeks later it didn't have an address or phone number to call to talk about it.
I have been messed about, been talked down to, shouted at and had the phone put down on me several times when I've tried to find out why it was stopped. I tried to appeal and the forms and doctors notes i've sent in have been "lost" twice.
I have a kidney disease that spread to my liver, a high risk of an aneurysm a weak heart and I can walk for around 20 mins before my days over. The whole thing has made me very ill. I have been treated so badly my eyelid now spasms when I get stressed.
I must add that the last time I had a medical at the same location I was told by the guy that my case was genuine before I had even sat down in his office.
Its good you have support workers and doctors on side because you could be in for a rough time. Im not normally one to write posts like this, but thought you should be warned. Hope things work out for you.
It didn't matter what was wrong with me, all they wanted to know was can I move my head from side to side, get up from one seat and sit into another and pass an eye test on a chart which had no small letters on it.
The lady at the medical said I would get all the help I needed if I was deemed fit to work, when I got the letter a few weeks later it didn't have an address or phone number to call to talk about it.
I have been messed about, been talked down to, shouted at and had the phone put down on me several times when I've tried to find out why it was stopped. I tried to appeal and the forms and doctors notes i've sent in have been "lost" twice.
I have a kidney disease that spread to my liver, a high risk of an aneurysm a weak heart and I can walk for around 20 mins before my days over. The whole thing has made me very ill. I have been treated so badly my eyelid now spasms when I get stressed.
I must add that the last time I had a medical at the same location I was told by the guy that my case was genuine before I had even sat down in his office.
Its good you have support workers and doctors on side because you could be in for a rough time. Im not normally one to write posts like this, but thought you should be warned. Hope things work out for you.
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