Incapcity Benefit, I'm on it.

bhavv said:
Yes I already know this. My previous medicals were with qualified doctors, now its with people that send everyone back to work.

But I was put on IB indefinitely and told I dont have to work again until theres a cure, Im not sure if that decision can be over rided.



Think what you want. My immediate family earn in excess of £150,000 pear year, £6000 is peanuts compared to how much they have paid in taxes, and they are more than willing to support me should my benefits get canceled, but they shouldnt have to, they pay enough tax to cover my £6000 per year.

I dont get why anyone would want to employ someone with my condition - I am unfit and a hazard in any job that requires lifting / pushing / pulling / climbing / operating machinery and cannot drive or travel in public transportation without getting ill. I would literally go to work and lie on the floor all day unable to do anything else.
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There is no cure for my illness me/cfs doesn't mean I get signed off for the rest of my life it doesn't work that way.

ESA follows a strict procedure you will be sent for new medical then you will have an interview which they call back to work.

I do understand your points about you wont be able to do anything but this silly system doesn't look at it like that they half the time don't even care about mental health issues there all about what can you do on your best days.

I think some people here are attacking Flukester when he/she has some fair points, yes depression can have a big impact but the figures do show it's out of control to many people playing it.

I suffer depression myself it's part of my condition which being virtually housebound hasn't helped so I do have experience with it, in case people want to try and jump on me about it I can tell you from experience and knowing others who have had it quitting work staying at home on drugs is not the way far too many people do this.
 
I dont get why anyone would want to employ someone with my condition - I am unfit and a hazard in any job that requires lifting / pushing / pulling / climbing / operating machinery and cannot drive or travel in public transportation without getting ill. I would literally go to work and lie on the floor all day unable to do anything else.
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so your house bound? and have a career ?
 
edGfaCTor said:
I think some people here are attacking Flukester when he/she has some fair points, yes depression can have a big impact but the figures do show it's out of control to many people playing it.
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Flukester is attacking sufferers of depression, not fraudulent claimants.
 
Flukester said:
or posting with live chat for a large companys tech support
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You really think that this is a real full time job, or that there are enough vacancies in this job for every sick person to get :rolleyes:

Its funny that no one even mentioned any job like that when I had to go to my return to work things, and I said 'I would like a job that I can do sitting down without lifting / twisting my head, or from home'. In fact they couldnt even find me a single job that met this criteria in 6 months.
 
I have just been told by the doctor I have mild depression ? I feel a bit down tbh about everything going on at the moment but I would not say i'm depressed, How can a doctor tell on my first time seeing him for 10 mins ? I think I might get a second opinion as tbh my sicknote is a little heavy already without adding anything else to it...
 
MOOGLEYS said:
I have just been told by the doctor I have mild depression ? I feel a bit down tbh about everything going on at the moment but I would not say i'm depressed, How can a doctor tell on my first time seeing him for 10 mins ? I think I might get a second opinion as tbh my sicknote is a little heavy already without adding anything else to it...
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Did you do the little ten question test? That seems to be pretty much the long and the short of a GP's diagnosis for depression.
 
MOOGLEYS said:
I have just been told by the doctor I have mild depression ? I feel a bit down tbh about everything going on at the moment but I would not say i'm depressed, How can a doctor tell on my first time seeing him for 10 mins ? I think I might get a second opinion as tbh my sicknote is a little heavy already without adding anything else to it...
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One of my Aunties had this same thing - she wasnt depressed at all but was having simple sleep problems and went to the doctors to get some sleeping pills.

The doctor had his normal 5 minute chat with her and diagnosed - 'You are depressed'. She was laughing about this and going around telling everyone how useless her doctor was for weeks and saying 'I am not depressed, I just wanted sleeping pills'.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Did you do the little ten question test? That seems to be pretty much the long and the short of a GP's diagnosis for depression.
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Just a general chat about what has happened and what needs to be done. I told him I was a bit down as I have just been booted out of the only job I really wanted to do and have been for 16 years. He seems to have taken "a bit down" as mildly depressed.
My first time with a civvy doctor and tbh however much I complained about military doctors I would like one back now..... :D
 
Flukester said:
that graph makes my blood boil

DEPRESSION!!, yeah we can all get depressed about life... maybe there are the odd few with some crazy chemical inbalance, but for most moping about muttering woe is me should never get you free money from those who actually get off there backsides and work for a living.

Last week I worked 68hrs, a short week which I'm thankful of, but at least I have the money in my pocket from it which I know I earnt

If op is really 'stressing' about the test, then I'd question if you have the rights to be claiming it.... surely those who really need help will be self evident in any test, no sweat

Sorry if I come across strong on this, I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way yet won't post due to being PC... Op's mental health problems doesn't seem to effect forum posting, which is surely the last thing on anyones mind who has genuine problems.
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You don't come across as strong; just very ignorant.
 
Thanks for all your views guys, i'm having my social working come around to help me fill out the questionnaire this week. I've had Depression since I left school, but worked through it for many years until it got worse and worse, then things have snowballed, I now (Few years ago) have been diagnosed with manic depression (of which I spent about a month in a physciatric hospital), OCD, servere anxiety, panic attacks and in the past year I have had siezures later diagnosed as Epilepsy (Myoclonic Jerks and Grand Mal). I do understand where some of you guys are coming from thinking that i'm a waste or drain on resourses but I don't really see it that way, maybe some of you guy's need to be educated in mental health then I think you may understand, but without the support of my parents (which I live with) and doctors I honestly don't know what I would be like.
 
davedudes said:
Thanks for all your views guys, i'm having my social working come around to help me fill out the questionnaire this week. I've had Depression since I left school, but worked through it for many years until it got worse and worse, then things have snowballed, I now (Few years ago) have been diagnosed with manic depression (of which I spent about a month in a physciatric hospital), OCD, servere anxiety, panic attacks and in the past year I have had siezures later diagnosed as Epilepsy (Myoclonic Jerks and Grand Mal). I do understand where some of you guys are coming from thinking that i'm a waste or drain on resourses but I don't really see it that way, maybe some of you guy's need to be educated in mental health then I think you may understand, but without the support of my parents (which I live with) and doctors I honestly don't know what I would be like.
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Keep your head up dude, positive, mental attitude and you can do anything.
 
davedudes said:
Thanks for all your views guys, i'm having my social working come around to help me fill out the questionnaire this week. I've had Depression since I left school, but worked through it for many years until it got worse and worse, then things have snowballed, I now (Few years ago) have been diagnosed with manic depression (of which I spent about a month in a physciatric hospital), OCD, servere anxiety, panic attacks and in the past year I have had siezures later diagnosed as Epilepsy (Myoclonic Jerks and Grand Mal). I do understand where some of you guys are coming from thinking that i'm a waste or drain on resourses but I don't really see it that way, maybe some of you guy's need to be educated in mental health then I think you may understand, but without the support of my parents (which I live with) and doctors I honestly don't know what I would be like.
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I think people get very confused when it comes to depression that is why you get curtain people saying lazyness which for some types it can be but manic depression which you have also known as bipolar can be very serious.

When I applied for esa i didn't do mine on grounds of depression and they scored me 0 points so I would clearly outline all your history and send in copies of your letters from hospital and when you are called in for the medical take someone with you.

ESA is a joke they will try anything to get a positive from you then use it against you this annoys me because there is curtain illness that people play to get it then people that really need help get screwed over.
 
The problem is that people seem to think mental disorders are "in the head" as opposed to linked to physical conditions.

The brain is a physical organ, once which has a purpose & is prone to failing like any other.

The MRI scans of people with different mental disorders are different, it's a physical condition which hinders normal life.

I (thankfully) have never suffered from a single mental condition, but growing up with a close family member with clinical depression & paranoid schizophrenia & seeing first hand the effects it has on them does enable you to be a little more sympathetic.

Considering what determines different peoples ability to handle stress IS genetic & environmental (neither of which a person picks) - it makes little sense to belittle somebody for being unable to handle a situation others can.
 
Flukester said:
that graph makes my blood boil

DEPRESSION!!, yeah we can all get depressed about life... maybe there are the odd few with some crazy chemical inbalance, but for most moping about muttering woe is me should never get you free money from those who actually get off there backsides and work for a living.

Last week I worked 68hrs, a short week which I'm thankful of, but at least I have the money in my pocket from it which I know I earnt

If op is really 'stressing' about the test, then I'd question if you have the rights to be claiming it.... surely those who really need help will be self evident in any test, no sweat

Sorry if I come across strong on this, I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way yet won't post due to being PC... Op's mental health problems doesn't seem to effect forum posting, which is surely the last thing on anyones mind who has genuine problems.

Just my 1p


edit: op also has a very expensive PC rig in siggy, like how did you afford that ? (I think I know the answer to that)
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I bought it through the help of my parents and using the finance option, nice way to pre-judge, please educate yourself.:rolleyes: I don't know you and you don't know me.
 
We should be proud as people that a small part of the tax we pay is used to help those less fortunate than ourselves.

It's been said that benefit fraud is a drop in the ocean compared to estimated tax evasion/avoidance by large businesses.
 
bhavv said:
Yes I already know this. My previous medicals were with qualified doctors, now its with people that send everyone back to work.

But I was put on IB indefinitely and told I dont have to work again until theres a cure, Im not sure if that decision can be over rided.





I dont get why anyone would want to employ someone with my condition - I am unfit and a hazard in any job that requires lifting / pushing / pulling / climbing / operating machinery and cannot drive or travel in public transportation without getting ill. I would literally go to work and lie on the floor all day unable to do anything else.
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The decision concerning being placed on IB idefinately will and can be overrided. For one, IB will no longer exist and it will be the equivalent of a cleaner who will write to tell you that. Make no mistake about it. The point of employing ATOS is not to keep the genuinely sick and needy on benefits but to shove them off where possible. This is a sort of Scorched Earth policy which amounts to a cull of all people on benefits claiming they are too sick to work. You not being able to work once they have kicked you off is your problem not theres, and so any employer not willing to employ you is still your problem and not theres.
 
davedudes said:
And have been on it for some time due to health/mental health problems, i'm not proud of it, I would love to have a career in the future, but I see that a lot of individuals tarnish people that are on benefits beit IB, JSA, DLA etc with the same brush saying "Scum" and "wastes of space", granted there are people that abuse the system and that gets my goat the majority of the time, it's people that need the help, they are the ones that are suffering.

I have loads of support from my Social Worker, Doctor, Neurologist and Physiatrist.

I've also had a questionnaire through the post to see if i'm eligible to be on the benefits that i'm on (soon to be called Employment and Support Allowance) and that is stressing me out, then once that is sent it's another agonising wait to see if i'm being called for a medical and that's also worrying me as i've heard they mainly focus on the physical side of your disability rather than the mental side. Sorry to ramble on but I just wanted to get things off of my chest.


Thanks for reading hope it made sense.:o
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Shouldn't stress you out necessarily - depending on the outcome it might well be the kick up the arse you need to get you back to work - especially if its mostly mental issues.

Main issue is that far too many people are currently signed off sick and have a negative attitude about it. (Obv I don't know about your individual case and it may well be the case that it would be inappropriate for you to be in work and that you should still be on benefits - but a reassessment to clarify that ought to be welcomed)
 
I absolutley think incapacity benefit, or an equivalent, is not just needed, but its fair.
I don't think any tax payer can take issue with that.

The issue we have though, is the way it's applied. There's no question that there people claiming it because it's easy, and they can. some doctors it seems, are quickto diagnose depression. This needs to be addressed.

Having a bad week/month or even year, is not depression. It seems these days, people are conditioned to believe they have a medical issue when having a bad time- its a natural part of the human experience. You can't be happy and sucessful all the time!

That's not to detract from real cases of depression, that's why the system is being overhauled. I think its a good thing.
 
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