Take a bow, mighty conservative Britain, the workhouses are back

4 to 6 months would be decent experience to prove to other employers but not 6/8 weeks.

I understand what is involved with work but 8 weeks is nothing.
 
I am going to have to tell the Uni that I cannot do the work placement next year as it is akin to slavery and the workhouses. Despite it getting me valuable work experience...
 
Firestar_3x said:
So what do you want equal opportunity for all?
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Yes.

Once all people get the same high standard of equality of opportunity then we can start calling them lazy scroungers (as they wasted a good chance).

As at the moment we are comparing apples & oranges - some people got breaks & chances, others didn't.

A child who get's beaten from the age of 5 & develops emotional problems, acts out at school, wastes his education will not achieve well.

It's not his fault.

If you put crap into a person from birth, the chances are that's what you will get out of them when they become an adult.

I don't believe it's logical to criticize the lack of work ethic of certain members of our society when not everybody had the same values instilled into them as children.
 
G|mp said:
What do you do for a job cheets?
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Was a plumber
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wildman said:
I work for a private company, its a large pharma company that produces generic medicines in order to reduce overall healthcare costs while obviously turning a profit in the process. You think this does nothing for society ?
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Yeah you're a real Mother Theresa. What a supercilious thing to suggest, that because the product your employer produces is a generic medicine you personally are contributing to society.
 
elmarko1234 said:
So...

Nobody has bad parents?

No schools are bad in the UK?

No areas are poor & crime ridden?

Nobody has negative influences during development (alcoholic parents).

No child is abused?

Are you really this stupid to think that everybody in the UK get's equality of opportunity?
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I'm saying that there are escapes from those things. Yes, it might not be easy but you can't just blame some exteral force for those people not succeeding because they didn't seek the help that they required. People expect to be given everything on a silver plate nowadays, and that includes opportunities. This mindset is wrong, you need to go out there and better yourself yourself! You have to go and find the things to improve your life and find the opportunities. And if you feel that something is unequal then go out and do something about it.
People that have found themselves in poor situations can often easily make the necessary solutions to remove themselves from it and prosper if they try. And I'm speaking from personal experience here.
The opportunities are always there.
 
elmarko1234 said:
Yes.

Once all people get the same high standard of equality of opportunity then we can start calling them lazy scroungers (as they wasted a good chance).

As at the moment we are comparing apples & oranges - some people got breaks & chances, others didn't.

A child who get's beaten from the age of 5 & develops emotional problems, acts out at school, wastes his education will not achieve well.

It's not his fault.

If you put crap into a person from birth, the chances are that's what you will get out of them when they become an adult.

I don't believe it's logical to criticize the lack of work ethic of certain members of our society when not everybody had the same values instilled into them as children.
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Problem is whilst it's a nice ideal that’s all it is an idealism, you can't standardised the way someone grows up and develops, you simply can't have control on all outside influences.

Life is unfair different people have different opportunities in life, it’s just the way things are, you can’t fix it no-one can so instead people simply need to accept that’s the way the world works stop feeling sorry for themselves and make the best out of whatever situation they have.
 
If whichever company get the work experience people they should pay the benefits while they work for them after all it benefits the company in cheaper workers for the time they have them, another thing how many 'real' positions will not be available because of work experience participants.
 
elmarko1234 said:
FYI, just because you & I both broke out of the "working class" it does not mean everybody can.

Everybody is different & has a different level of natural drive, others lack the determination to achieve & get dragged down by the stresses of poverty.

Not everybody has good parents, or good role models to help them develop - poverty is only part of the problem - which is the inequality of opportunities in life.
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Why should someone with less drive and desire to better themselves be handed everything to them on a plate?

All that does is demoralise and break down the people who do initially have the higher drive - why should they bother going out and putting in the hard work to make opportunities for themselves, when the same opportunities are just given to those who can't be bothered?

Hitman_Leon said:
If whichever company get the work experience people they should pay the benefits while they work for them after all it benefits the company in cheaper workers for the time they have them, another thing how many 'real' positions will not be available because of work experience participants.
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They don't get cheaper workers, the workers they get are a drain on the company until they are able to work without supervision, which, with an 8 week turn around, isn't very long.
 
cheets64 said:
The state I have paid into?

No, but please jog on.
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Oooh that's harsh, was only asking.

So how much exactly have you paid into the state system, seeing as you didn't work for god knows how many years?

I can't imagine you had to pay much tax working behind a bar?

Do you get paid for babysitting?
 
elmarko1234 said:
FYI, just because you & I both broke out of the "working class" it does not mean everybody can.

Everybody is different & has a different level of natural drive, others lack the determination to achieve & get dragged down by the stresses of poverty.

Not everybody has good parents, or good role models to help them develop - poverty is only part of the problem - which is the inequality of opportunities in life.
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I'm still very poor, working in retail and in state housing, it took me nearly 18 months to find that job but I cling to it for dear life!

Alas life really is not fair, so you have to push hard to get where you want to be. All the trouble I've had in my life makes me grateful for the good I've had; I suppose that's what makes me different from the work shy is that I don't expect to be spoon fed.

I will agree that everybody has different drives but that natural drive and determination is what made us men and not monkeys still swinging in a trees.

Reach for the Übermensch!
 
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G|mp said:
Oooh that's harsh, was only asking.

So how much exactly have you paid into the state system, seeing as you didn't work for god knows how many years?

I can't imagine you had to pay much tax working behind a bar?

Do you get paid for babysitting?
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Dont you have webcam model to be tipping!
 
****ing brilliant.


If you don't have recent experience/references getting even temp work can be a bitch.
 
I'm laughing so hard at all the comments on the guardian saying this is "****ing sick" and "no one will vote for the conservatives ever again"

What world do these people live in :D
 
I see this had descended into most GD threads...with personal b****ing going on between members :p Seriously gentlemen, sometimes I think you are worse than the 16-18 year old girls I study with at college!
 
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