Take a bow, mighty conservative Britain, the workhouses are back

For me this is too good for the unemployed or at least those that have been unemployed for years with no intent to get a job, those who are content to scrounge off society.

Get them doing public service, litter picking, scooping up dog turds, cleaning graffiti or walls etc. Then watch the unemployment figures drop.
 
They still get JSA while they work.*The only problem are the sorts of corporations these people are working for, who don't need the free labour and should know better than to exploit the people they serve.
 
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It's hilarious really. You go along, sign on. If you show no interest (or show too much interest, by actually having a type of work in mind. Maybe a type of work you've just spent 10k studying towards... (and why would that be..)) you're *****d. If you go along and they tell you how *****d you are, in desperation you're coerced into "expressing an interest" (read: murmuring "yes sir, please don't take away my pittance, I'll consider anything sir") and they offer to 'help' by placing you in a 'back-to-work' scheme (don't make me laugh), and you accept, wishing to be helped back into work (as was the party pledge, pre-election), and they've got you, you're *****d again. Properly *****d this time though, some ******* backwards clause that no-one's heard of. Forced into relative slave labour; for fear of losing what little you're given. How on earth does that make any sense, or offer any kind of solution to the employment issue?. Meh.

I especially love the tory defense, spewed from the arse of Chris Grayling: "Our work experience scheme is proving to be a big success with over half of young people leaving benefits after they have completed their placement." Well of course, you absolute ****. What do you do?, you go back to work 30 hours a week doing night shifts for £90 a fortnight. ******* hell... Utterly soulless *******.

I can't even begin to talk about the incapacity benefit/disability system overhaul. it's just an absolute giant cluster****.

Compulsory toe stubbings for all cold hearted **** tory ********.

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This isn't a new thing. My brother was on Job seekers a year ago and had to do this. But it was a job working on widening a canal for 6 weeks.
 
cheets64 said:
Poundland area big business, its make no sense to pander to retail its a dead end low skilled job.

http://www.financial-news.co.uk/3366/2011/10/500-go-for-job-35-jobs-at-co-op/



They need all the help they can get :rolleyes:
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It's still a job and these jobs need filling.
Oh wow you pull out one figure from a opening store, which employ few people.

It makes perfect sense to start in retail. It's likely they have littel or no experience, low motivation, maybe off been out of a job for years.
It's also not dead end, you can become team leaders and high if you wish and sometimes very fast due to high turnover rates.

They have the resources and the power to manage such a scheme and of course are able to offer jobs. Something a charity or public sector is unlikely to offer.
 
benneh said:
It's hilarious really. You go along, sign on. If you show no interest (or show too much interest, by actually having a type of work in mind. Maybe a type of work you've just spent 10k studying towards... (and why would that be..)) you're *****d. If you go along and they tell you how *****d you are, in desperation you're coerced into "expressing an interest" (read: murmuring "yes sir, please don't take away my pittance, I'll consider anything sir") and they offer to 'help' by placing you in a 'back-to-work' scheme (don't make me laugh), and you accept, wishing to be helped back into work (as was the party pledge, pre-election), and they've got you, you're *****d again. Properly *****d this time though, some ******* backwards clause that no-one's heard of. Forced into relative slave labour; for fear of losing what little you're given. How on earth does that make any sense, or offer any kind of solution to the employment issue?. Meh.
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So esentially your complaint is they will get you work that you consider beneath you?
 
Tefal said:
So esentially your complaint is they will get you work that you consider beneath you?
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No, my complaint is that it operates under the 'back to work' banner. A term which encapsulates a series of completely retarded sub-schemes. When in reality it offers absolutely no career path, no help towards a career path, and no type of permanent placement (or at least very, very few, and completely useless at that).

What it does offer is a short period of virtually free labour, followed by a very temporary drop from the Job Seekers register. And what do we gain?, a slight improvement in government statistics?. A handful of well educated shelf stackers?. Get real..
 
And why's it only a short term drop. Will people suddenly stop working once offered a job.
Does it mean they have to stay as shelf stackers. Once you have a job it's much easier to get a different job.
Even as a unloaded, which requires nothing more than lifting boxes and putting them on a conveyer belt. I was offered the opportunity of a diploma you need to become a warehouse supervisor/manager.
Not that, that was the only career path or options avilable.

What job would you like to see them placed into.
 
This is nothing deifferent than what Labour have already been doing for the past 10yrs or so under New Deal, a government pretending to get tough on the unemployment is straight out of the politicians play book to keep the hard working sheep happy.

I'd bet about 1 in 10 of these 'placements' result in a full time job, some might last a couple of weeks just long enough so that the training providers can claim their prize bonus from government for finding someone employment and then it's back on the dole and stuck in the cycle.
 
It is work experience that people on JSA often lack, and experience is needed before you are even considered for other jobs.

The jobs may be lowly but by showing you can turn up for a job on time, smartly dressed, not hung over, regularly and that you can do the job well, taking pride in whatever it is, taking interest, doing it as a positive step on the work ladder then it will be a massive benefit the folks involved.

One problem I've heard time and time again is that people can't even get jobs at Tesco etc because they don't have experience. This is a chance for people not to be snubbed. Moaning about it won't get folks anywhere, getting a glowing reference out of it will.
 
Sort of skipped from page 3 as things were just getting repeated.

If I had to work for a company for nothing **** would be getting nicked.

My friend done this 'work xp' for comet for about 2 months only to get told on the last day that there wasnt a place for him. ******* out of order if you ask me. What do you really gain from it?

Really disappointing about some of members atitudes towards the unemployed. 50" plasmas, sky tv etc is just fantsy. I know 2 people who have 'full benefits' (flat paid for) and tbh they cant do anything. 1 doesnt even have a TV.

18-24yo is/was £51.50 a week.

Companies are partly to blame for people staying on benefits too. There are loads of jobs for part timers @ 16.5 hours a week.

take 2 part times jobs i hear you say. All well and good if you can get a part time job that doesnt want you to work at the weekend. lot of 0 hour contracts floating around too.

I think they should be made to minimum ratio for full and part time work placements 1:2 say. Also let people work 16 hours, atleast then they will be able to contrabute towards their rent or whatever without the fear of losing the homes they live in.

I never want to be unemployed again. 2 months on the dole and i was almost going insane. Stress on my parents as i moved back in. It's not nice feeling hated in the home you live in and there is not really a lot you can do about it. Almost all my money when to mother as keep.

The good thing about the times we now live in is that its a massive incentive for the youth of today to do well at school!
 
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Why as a tax payer should I basically subsidise the supermarkets.....joke

If there is work to be done in these supermarkets then create jobs and employ people...just crazy.
 
I guess this will show those who are willing to at least work and those who can't be bothered!
Will sort them out, those who are unwilling and make no effort or attempt to do the job well obviously are on the dole for the wrong reasons no?
 
Glaucus said:
And why's it only a short term drop. Will people suddenly stop working once offered a job.
Does it mean they have to stay as shelf stackers. Once you have a job it's much easier to get a different job.
Even as a unloaded, which requires nothing more than lifting boxes and putting them on a conveyer belt. I was offered the opportunity of a diploma you need to become a warehouse supervisor/manager.
Not that, that was the only career path or options avilable.

What job would you like to see them placed into.
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You're employing a simplistic view, and it's not going to answer the question being asked. I'm not trying to make out that I have the answer, I'm just expecting you to realise that ridiculous things like 'Once you have a job it's much easier to get a different job' hold absolutely no weight now, especially when we're talking about post grad/college students who can't find work. Say I've just finished a degree in some area of physics, or mechanical engineering, or any of the fairly popular courses, and I find myself unable to gain employment. I go to the job center, after spending 10k on my uni course (price courtesy of the tories), and I eventually accept a job working £1.50ph for one of the companies mentioned in the article. It's not a living wage obviously, but it will render me entitled to housing benefits etc (so long as I don't live in a family home, or with too many people, or with anybody that earns more than £6ph, or with a partner. So long as I actually go out and rent a property with the sole intention of being eligible for housing benefit. Another fantastic side effect of an entirely borked benefit system. You didn't want that did you, but there you go. Another problem), so I do that for a year while things pick up, because christ, it's easier to find a job in astrophysics, or engineering, while I've got a job at pound world, isn't it?. But no, they keep turning me down at job interviews, because after I left uni/college I went to work at pound land, and I can't be taken seriously. /spirals

From my POV, it's better to have no work, and state that you couldn't find work, than to work a **** tier job, and have to explain that to prospective employees. There's no point looking through rose tinted glasses and hoping you'll find some manager who thinks 'Well, he made an effort didn't he, he worked that low end job, pulling his weight, searching in earnest for his engineering placement!'. It just does not work like that. I wish it did!.
 
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Glaucus said:
Secondly do councils have the time or staff to baby sit such people and be able to cope when people don't turn in or are late etc.
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You need to get away from the idea that everyone on JSA are useless bums. I'm sure many are, but if this is optional, then the people who are more likely to go for it are the ones who genuinely want to get back into work and will do anything in their power to do so. It seems extremely unfair and insulting, to me, that they would not get a penny for it.
 
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