New york police blatantly discriminating.

RomanNose · 17 Nov 2011 at 18:58

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18573661
@40 minutes onwards, they are stopping people from going down a public street, also demanding ID for some people to prove they work on the street. They are even discriminating visually, some people are not being asked for ID which is clearly shown in the video..
Regardless of what you think about the occupy protests, how are they allowed to do this?

Cr0fty · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:00

Because they're not exactly going to arrest themselves, are they?

Vonhelmet · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:00

They're the police. They have to make quick judgements to assess risk.

I'm not going to watch the video, but unless it's obvious racial or sexual profiling, then there's nothing anyone can do about it.

PermaBanned · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:02

Relevant (slightly):

Guess who was arrested a few hours later :rolleyes:

[TW]Fox · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:03

RomanNose said:
how are they allowed to do this?

It's not illegal to profile people based on how likely you think they are to be irritating hippies who wish to blame everyone else for everything.

Robbo · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:05

[TW]Fox;20589821 said:
It's not illegal to profile people based on how likely you think they are to be irritating hippies who wish to blame everyone else for everything.

Indeed.

doofer · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:06

RomanNose · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:06

[TW]Fox;20589821 said:
It's not illegal to profile people based on how likely you think they are to be irritating hippies who wish to blame everyone else for everything.

True, but I can't see how they can close a public street just to stop protests.

[TW]Fox · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:09

RomanNose said:
True, but I can't see how they can close a public street just to stop protests.

Based on what? Your detailed knowledge of American law?

Or just guesswork like 90% of the other opinions going round lately?

RomanNose · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:11

[TW]Fox;20589876 said:
Based on what? Your detailed knowledge of American law?

Or just guesswork like 90% of the other opinions going round lately?

The latter

, If they can close streets for protests that just defies common sense as the constitution enables them to have the right to peacefully protest.

Vonhelmet · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:13

RomanNose said:
The latter , If they can close streets for protests that just defies common sense as the constitution enables them to have the right to peacefully protest.

I'm not convinced the US constitution does grant such a right...

PermaBanned · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:15

Vonhelmet said:
I'm not convinced the US constitution does grant such a right...

Missed the first amendment did you?

Vonhelmet · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:18

PermaBanned said:
Missed the first amendment did you?

Free speech? What's that got to do with peaceful protest?

Free speech is used to defend anything everything, on the basis that anything you do is your free expression. I'm not sure things are supposed to work quite that broadly.

[TW]Fox · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:20

PermaBanned said:
Missed the first amendment did you?

Nobody is saying they can't peacefully protest, just that they can't do it in everyone elses way. Just like they can't stand in the middle of i95 and do it either.

RomanNose · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:20

Vonhelmet said:
Free speech? What's that got to do with peaceful protest?

Free speech is used to defend anything everything, on the basis that anything you do is your free expression. I'm not sure things are supposed to work quite that broadly.

Congress shall make no law … abridging … the right of the people peaceably to assemble

It does say it, it's quite well known that the Church of Scientology has not been able to close public streets when they have wanted to.

[TW]Fox · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:20

Vonhelmet said:
Free speech? What's that got to do with peaceful protest?

Free speech is used to defend anything everything, on the basis that anything you do is your free expression. I'm not sure things are supposed to work quite that broadly.

He means the right to peacably assemble.

6thElement · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:26

One of the city laws individuals keep getting arrested for is you can't "parade" in the roadway without the "parade" being issued a parade permit.

mmj_uk · 17 Nov 2011 at 19:26

Any government will crack down when threatened, the only reason Western governments have had it so comfortable all these years is the high standard of living, welfare for the poor and good use/dominance of the media.

dowie · 18 Nov 2011 at 03:11

RomanNose said:
The latter , If they can close streets for protests that just defies common sense as the constitution enables them to have the right to peacefully protest.

I'm not sure it dictates the location - tis fairly normal for police to stop protests going down certain routes. Should the orange men in Norther Ireland be able to go down any road in any Catholic Neighbourhood?

Tis probably quite sensible to stop a mob of crusties who are targeting banks etc.. from actually getting too close to the banks. Obviously people who work at those banks still need to get through so some discrimination is necessary, its not unfair discrimination - its not like they're not letting through blacks etc... they're stopping hippies and letting through suits...

dowie · 18 Nov 2011 at 03:45

PermaBanned said:
Relevant (slightly):

Guess who was arrested a few hours later

Guy filming needs to speak up and learn to hold a camera properly...