Is it all the 140s that are BLB? Are the 170s BLK and do they suffer the same?
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Is it all the 140s that are BLB? Are the 170s BLK and do they suffer the same?
When was the revised design put onto the production line?
Are there any Audi diesels that will not suffer this problem?
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[TW]Fox;20593421 said:
This.
LOL at people who buy diesel for 10K a year.
The biggest issue for me is mileage, you honestly don't do enough unless the desire for the model/engine is enough to overcome the cost implications.
As far as complications go with diesels, the turbo is on both models so I'll park that to one side, the DPF is in general OK assuming you do run it out every week for 20 mins or so at a fair pace, if it spends it's life in town you run the risk of a forced regen (Does the 140 even have a DPF? A lot of sister PD140 2.0l TDIs didn't). Injectors - this is tough to assess, some have issues but others don't. From what my local VAG garage tells me its not all that common but shows with age (100k plus was the figure he named) in the PD series, I have no real figures or proof of this though. If you still want this to be the diesel take the 170 at least, the 140 will struggle in a car of that size no matter what.
As far as complications go with diesels, the turbo is on both models so I'll park that to one side, the DPF is in general OK assuming you do run it out every week for 20 mins or so at a fair pace, if it spends it's life in town you run the risk of a forced regen (Does the 140 even have a DPF? A lot of sister PD140 2.0l TDIs didn't). Injectors - this is tough to assess, some have issues but others don't. From what my local VAG garage tells me its not all that common but shows with age (100k plus was the figure he named) in the PD series, I have no real figures or proof of this though. If you still want this to be the diesel take the 170 at least, the 140 will struggle in a car of that size no matter what.
[TW]Fox;20593421 said:
After some calculations though a diesel (if no repairs needed) will be cheaper over a long period of time. I have worked out if I went from my ST to the A4 2.0TFSI I would only be saving £300-400 a year. But if I switched from the ST to an A4 2.0tdi I would be saving £600-700a year, and over time that counts up to a considerable saving.
I agree the low mileage I do does favour the petrol considering it is currently cheaper to purchase from the pump, and as you say 'less hassle'. But a petrol restricts me in that I MUST do low mileage to see benefit over the diesel...
Ideally I need a 40MPG petrol/diesel, that is no more than 4 years old, with less than 60k on the lock, for under £10,000. But still offers 'decent' performance.
Edit Also I am paying £224 a month on a loan for the privileges of my ST (which I am not bothered about as I like it). So this is also a factor in choosing the next car. I still want to be ok with paying £224 a month for it... (so no skoda's!!)
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2007 BMW 3 SERIES 320i SE 2dr Coupe
Thoughts on this as a choice? Ideally I would prefer the 'M Sport' spec, but they seem to be out of my price range. What MPG would I expect back from this...
Always liked the 3 series coupe
Thoughts on this as a choice? Ideally I would prefer the 'M Sport' spec, but they seem to be out of my price range. What MPG would I expect back from this...
Always liked the 3 series coupe
If no repairs needed? You can guarantee that can you? Because if not your maths fall apart.
If you want to save money, buy a Polo diesel. You are buying premium cars - the £200-300 a year saving over a petrol A4 with a diesel A4 is not an amount worth bothering with...
How likely are you to suddenly decide to do 30k a year? Why not buy a car based on what you WILL do rather than waht you might possibly perhaps maybe do?
You do 10k a year. Why do you NEED a 40mpg petrol but not a 35mpg petrol?
Why are you so hung up on these marginal costs which apparently not at all bothered about the far bigger potential costs in car ownership?
Ah, now it makes sense. Small amounts matter because you dont have £10k to spend you have £224 a month to spend...
That petrol engine isn't as reliable as the Audi ones sadly - there are issues with it. Plus again you demonstrate your obsession with one aspect of car ownership - fuel economy - whilst not caring about anything else.
That car has the 19 inch wheels. A full set of tyres for that car is over a THOUSAND quid. Kinda makes the MPG difference irrelevent when you have to pay a grand for 4 tyres!
Will you really get 40MPG over the entire tank though? I have my doubts.
If saving money is at the root here, think about an older gen diesel from the VAG range. There are B7s with the 1.9 105 engine, I believe, which are massively less prone to throwing their toys out of the pram.
If saving money is at the root here, think about an older gen diesel from the VAG range. There are B7s with the 1.9 105 engine, I believe, which are massively less prone to throwing their toys out of the pram.
BUt if you are content to drive something with an engine as chronically slow and awful as the 1.9 TDI why waste the extra on an Audi? Just get it in a Skoda Octavia instead - cheap to buy, cheap to run.
Cheap enough to not need to spend £224 a month on a car loan for an 'economical' car as well...
[TW]Fox;20594559 said:
That thought had crossed my mind
[TW]Fox;20594559 said:
I have the sale of my ST to spend, any money I can claw back will go towards paying off the loan, and helping towards my savings for a deposit on a house. Being 23yrs old and saving up for a deposit on a first house is hard enough itself, nevermind having to run a 2.5 litre turbo
So if thats your situation why not trash the £10k car idea?
[TW]Fox;20594797 said:
1. I have a personal loan with £224 coming out of my bank. The purpose of that is for a car.
2. I still love cars, and after owning the car I have wanted since I was very young, I am now after a more executive saloon, of which the Audi ticks the box.
3. I would find it very hard to go from having an 08 low mileage car to a much older higher mileage car.
I currently put £60+ worth of petrol into my tank a week, I want that to last 2 weeks. So in effect spending £120 a month rather than £240...
Getting an Audi A4 2.0tdi would have met this target
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Please explain what's wrong with 1.9 tdi?
As I've got a 02 1.9 tdi 130bhp passat
I don't find it slow? But yes it does sound like a tractor when starting up.
Please explain what's wrong with 1.9 tdi?
As I've got a 02 1.9 tdi 130bhp passat
I don't find it slow? But yes it does sound like a tractor when starting up.
Yea, because mileage is everything right?
Getting an A4 2.0 TDI would massively increase your exposure to potential large repair bills in order to save a whole £120 a month (Over your Focus, the saving over something else is far less).
You were the one who mentioned how hard it is to save up for a house deposit. You'd find it much easier if you were not paying out £250 a month for a £10k car. If you are not that bothered about it then cool, enjoy the car, but don't tell us how hard it is to save up for a house deposit when you currently spend £6k a year on buying and fuelling a Ford Focus!
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He was talking about the 105bhp version not the 130bhp version, though neither is exactly stellar in performance or refined. Sure its not bad for a 2002 car but this thread is mostly referring to much newer cars, cars I have always been amazed you could still get with some an ancient engine fitted.