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GTX 570 superior to a 6970?

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Thinking about getting a 570. Will be playing at 1080p. Mainly getting it for BF3 but obviously I will be playing other games on it too.

All the benchmarks I've seen show the 570 outperforming the 6970 by a fairly wide margin when every thing is at Ultra with AA on. In some other games the 6970 seems to edge ahead slightly.

So, 570 or 6970?

Also, with the new 560Ti coming out on Tuesday and the new ATI cards on the horizon can you guys see a price drop on the 570 anytime soon?
 
In BF3 yes it is superior unless you are playing 2560x1600 or something, in which case neither card really has enough raw power for that res.
 
The 570 will invariably out perform the 6970 when AA is enabled, that aside, they are generally a close match with not that much between them, though overall I'd say the 570 will still just edge it.
 
Sounds good. When I get a replacement for my dead mobo I might go for one of these then. Saw this video on Youtube which kind of made up my mind:


^Everything on Ultra including MSAA and on a 64 man server, consistently performs at 50fps. Now it's just a matter of getting a decent price on one. I'm hoping the 560Ti 448 comes out at sub-£200, which will lead to a price drop of the 570 to a little over £200 given that the performance difference between the two isn't massive.
 
chaotic_uk said:
depends on the game etc

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/292?vs=306
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6000 series is known to heavily tuned on scaling with games like Crysis and Metro2033 for since they are popular games for benching even today, but in most real world games that are not optimised for AMD, the 69xx cards loses a huge chunk of fps when AA is applied, particular on the minimum frame rate (and having 2GB of VRAM doesn't really help since it is more to do with the GPU architecture), whereas the GF100/GF110 based Nvidia cards hold up much better and don't lose that much fps when AA is applied (sidenote, GF104/GF114 based Nvidia cards such as GTX460, GTX560Ti also suffer huge fps loss when AA is applied, same as the AMD cards).

But if people don't care too much for AA, 6970 is generally as fast, if not faster than the GTX570 on 1920 res on 0xAA.
 
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Marine-RX179 said:
6000 series is known to heavily tuned on scaling with games like Crysis and Metro2033 for since they are popular games for benching even today, but in most real world games that are not optimised for AMD, the 69xx cards loses a huge chunk of fps when AA is applied, particular on the minimum frame rate (and having 2GB of VRAM doesn't really help since it is more to do with the GPU architecture), whereas the GF100/GF110 based Nvidia cards hold up much better and don't lose that much fps when AA is applied (sidenote, GF104/GF114 based Nvidia cards such as GTX460, GTX560Ti also suffer huge fps loss when AA is applied, same as the AMD cards).

But if people don't care too much for AA, 6970 is generally as fast, if not faster than the GTX570 on 1920 res on 0xAA.
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you mention the gf100 (gtx480 ?) and i have both and the 6970 is faster in all games i play except 2 (fc2 + crysis2) , does not matter how much AA i use for me the 6970 is faster framerate wise
 
chaotic_uk said:
you mention the gf100 (gtx480 ?) and i have both and the 6970 is faster in all games i play except 2 (fc2 + crysis2) , does not matter how much AA i use for me the 6970 is faster framerate wise
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I recall someone mentioning and provided evidence that Nvidia card don't run as fast as it should be on a AMD system.
 
what games you wanting it for and what res

if its for bf3

its about the same as is most games

there basically same card performance wise just depends what game you playing.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
I recall someone mentioning and provided evidence that Nvidia card don't run as fast as it should be on a AMD system.
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not heard that before tbh , one thing i will mention is that gameplay felt smoother on the gtx480 in most games compaired to my 6970's before i went for crossfired 6970's
 
Just to follow up on this... In relation to BF3 in particular, I was under the impression that the 570 is significantly better than the 6970. I was basing this off all the fraps tests I'd seen on Youtube as well as this Bit-tech analysis, which seemed pretty conclusive:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2011/11/10/battlefield-3-technical-analysis/4

But I just today seen Hardcop's multiplayer analysis and I think it shows the 6970 having a slight edge:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/22/battlefield_3_multiplayer_performance_iq_review/3

What accounts for these conflicting results? Is the 6970 really superior in multiplayer or are those results deceiving (i.e. would the 570 beat the 6970 had they done apples-for-apples as far as settings go, because the 570 does actually get higher frame rates, but with SSAO instead of HBAO)?
 
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gurusan said:
I think it's because there's no deferred anti-aliasing enabled.
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Oh, right you are. I didn't notice that before. And these results make sense because the 570 only shines in BF3 relative to the 6970 at 2x or 4x MSAA?

I'm sure I read that somewhere recently. If that's the case then I don't know why they paired the 6970 with the 580 and the 570 with the '50 because the 570 is the real competitor to the 6970 and the '50 is a better fit with the 560 Ti, in this game at least.
 
chaotic_uk said:
not heard that before tbh , one thing i will mention is that gameplay felt smoother on the gtx480 in most games compaired to my 6970's before i went for crossfired 6970's
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Micro stutter, get used to it, comes with the package of Crossfire/SLI. :D
 
The gtx570 probably does handle aa better but with aa enabled its still not faster. Most if not all the games tested in this review used aa but overall the 6970 at higher resolution is faster. Theres only 1% in it at 1920x1200 but move up again and that gap gets bigger.

The 6970 must be a decent bit faster without aa and when aa is applied it claws the gap back but its still not faster overall with aa applied.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GTX_560_Ti_Twin_Light_Turbo/27.html
 
TheRealDeal said:
The gtx570 probably does handle aa better but with aa enabled its still not faster. Most if not all the games tested in this review used aa but overall the 6970 at higher resolution is faster. Theres only 1% in it at 1920x1200 but move up again and that gap gets bigger.

The 6970 must be a decent bit faster without aa and when aa is applied it claws the gap back but its still not faster overall with aa applied.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GTX_560_Ti_Twin_Light_Turbo/27.html
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Unless I'm missing something that review actually says the opposite to what you've just said because it shows that the 570 is 2% faster than the 6970 on average when all resolutions are combined. At 1200p the 6970 is supposedly 1% faster but if you add the scores from BF3 into that review the 570 would turn the tables and be at least 1% faster!

I do think it's clear that the 6970 opens up a lead at resolutions at 1600p and above, but by that point neither card is able to max anything with even remotely playable frame rates (e.g. running Metro at ~20fps compared to the 570 at ~15fps). It's clear that the 6970 can't efficiently use 2Gb by itself. That said, I think the whole point of having 2Gb on those cards is for Xfire purposes. I would have thought that with two GPU's the 2Gb could start to be used very efficiently indeed (although I would like to see some confirmation of this with benchmarks comparing 570 SLI vs. 6970 Xfire).

If I was interested in eyefinity and in going with dual GPU set-ups in the future I would probably go with the 6970, but I don't see any real evidence to not choose the 570 at 1080p when I'm not really considering SLI (my mobo's 2nd and 3rd slots are only x8 speed, which kind of defeats the purpose) and my main game for the foreseeable future will be BF3.
 
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Notice where i said overall at high esolutions. There is plenty of games tested with aa enabled yet the 6970 has a slight lead. I am just pointing out that with aa enabled the gtx570 is not any faster. It is maybe true to say it handles aa better but this does not seem to make it the faster card. AA just seems to make the gtx570 catch back up to the 6970.

Lets hope amd can take less of a hit with aa enabled with there gnc 7000 cards.
 
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