Autism, Aspergers, Dyspraxia etc
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[FnG]magnolia;20667724 said:
i wasnt talking about you as you didnt post nay stupid "assburger" youtube videos or post a picture of an ass on a burger.
FYI rainman wasnt simply austistic he was an autistic savant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_syndrome
btw einstein and newton were thought to have been austic/aspergers as were many other notable people in history
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You presume they are pretending.
Poor word choice on my part, apologies. I presume they're pretending if they're self-diagnosing.
[FnG]magnolia;20667889 said:
Well if they are self-diagnosing then they most likely will be right in this case as it we are all on the spectrum ! What people need to do is to think is that it is like saying you have got a virus - it's very contextual. Your GP would not sign you off as sick unless your virus had debilitated your functioning below a certain level. Goes back to my it not being used as a excuse which I believe is where you are coming from.
I would strongly think most people here, like me, would be quite a way a long the spectrum. Whether we let it impede us is another thing entirely. One thing I would say is that if one has a child then there is time to learn new things and new ways - so that is when one should be a little more pushy about their observations and relaying them to the appropriate people. And also with children one can hardly expect them to learn social norms from sitting in front of an xbox all day - so any tendency will be shaped by the environment you place them in.
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So before you knew you were 'not normal' you used to do 'normal' social things, but once somebody slapped a label on you, you took the easy way out, sat back and decided that it doesnt matter because you are autistic? Excellent - well done. Thats sure to be of long term benefit to you. Sitting on the internet wearing an 'I am special' badge almost with pride (You seem desperate to tell us you are autistic, I've lost count of the number of threads containing a post by you telling us you have autism) is far better than facing the issue and doing your best to overcome it. Because you CAN overcome it.
This is, again, more rubbish. It is perfectly possible for somebody with an autistic spectrum disorder to have a good social life and as many friends as they wish. Obviously you'll have neither of these things if you sit back, put your feet up and don't put the effort in because 'Hey, I'm on the spectrum, its never gonna happen anyway' but most people with spectrum disorders are capable of leading relatively normal lives with a decent social life. Sure, they'll probably never be that bubbling outgoing life and soul of the party that everyone loves but that doesnt mean it isn't possible to have a decent social life or friends.
Actually forcing you into social gatherings *is* doing you a favour. Whilst I'm sure you like to think you know yourself better than anyone else, knowing the best course for the future isn't the same as knowing yourself. The more you expose yourself to things you find typically awkward as a result of your issue the easier it will become.
so were Adolf Hitler and Jeffery Dahmer, the diagnosis of historical figures based on nothing more than vague biographical data is controversial to say the least.....
As far as Einstein and Newton are concerned many dismiss such claims due to Einstein being pretty sociable and displaying a good sense of humour, and Newtons later eccentricity being explained by mercury poisioning and and earlier case of depression.
Trying to ascribe Aspergers/Autism to the great thinkers of human endevour seems, to me at least, as trying to artificially manufacture acceptance of such conditions....when there is little or no real evidence other than opinion.
As others have said, in some cases these conditions can be debilitating and real (my 6 year old nephew has Autism)....in a lot of others they are simply used to justify laziness and poor social skills.
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unless your autistic you will never be able to understand what its like so dont even try with your theres nothing wrong BS its all in your mind.[TW]Fox;20667945 said:
its a proper medical condition the differences in the brain of an autistic person and a normal person are big enough to show up on a scan.
our brains are wired differently , we think different some of us will never fit in no matter how much we try, its not because im taking the lazy way out.
i have a 10year marriage behind me you can talk to my wife about how i take the easy way out through choice if you want , trust me and ill give you her phone number and she can tell you all about it.
why dont you go and tell sylvester stallone how is son is completely normal hes just taking the easy way out? see how long it takes until he swings for you i predict about 2 seconds.
im sure to you were all just ignorant
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There are different levels of autism and there severe kind leaves people massively excluded from society. It may be a joke laughing at the strange things these kind of people do, but when it affects your family and you know they aren't going to be able to to live life to the potential of a normal person it's quite sad.
Unfortunately my girlfriends brother has severe autism which means he goes to a special needs school and probably will never be able to work. He is a nice lad and has great intentions but unfortunately his social skills and mental age hold him back enormously.
Unfortunately my girlfriends brother has severe autism which means he goes to a special needs school and probably will never be able to work. He is a nice lad and has great intentions but unfortunately his social skills and mental age hold him back enormously.
and some people dont understand the difference between autism and aspergers like [tw]fox....
aspergers is a lot easier to self diagnose your self into thinking you have it.
austim is a very different world entirely, i am diagnosed by people with more qualifications than [tw]fox will ever have...
people who were offering me all kinds of help and social services suport, i told them i didnt need it and i can manage my day to day life fine, yet he tries to say i take the easy way out.....
if i were taking the easy way out i would be on disability living allowance right now , i can get it with a simple phonecall and ive been told this
All can be very serious and difficult conditions to deal with.
Of course, I do sympathise with some of the view points above. Being socially inept doesn't mean you are slightly autistic. Being an utter wimp doesn't mean you have depression. I think it's just easier for some people to think there is something out of their control than accept they have improvements to make on themselves. At least that's the impression I get.
Of course, I do sympathise with some of the view points above. Being socially inept doesn't mean you are slightly autistic. Being an utter wimp doesn't mean you have depression. I think it's just easier for some people to think there is something out of their control than accept they have improvements to make on themselves. At least that's the impression I get.
I didn't post that as a direct reply to you, I skim read most of the thread, and just posted that as my (crap) contribution to the topic as a whole.
Was good though I thought although I feel most wasted as most people will fail to see that "being literal" is a component of Aspergers which I presume is what you were saying.
It's probably been said before, but if you read the book 'The curious incident of the dog in the night time' it does a very good job of putting you in the shoes of someone with aspergers/autism. Although the author is distancing himself from the character having aspgergers, coming from someone who has spent a lot of time with an asperpgers child, there are a lot of similarities.
Asperger's children often find technical niche's, my neice for example is incredibly talented musically but her asperger's shines through with this too, she often HAS to rearrange pieces of music if she doesn't like how they are.
Seems to be a lot of people trying to diagnose themselves with these conditions but trust me, you're way off.
Asperger's children often find technical niche's, my neice for example is incredibly talented musically but her asperger's shines through with this too, she often HAS to rearrange pieces of music if she doesn't like how they are.
Seems to be a lot of people trying to diagnose themselves with these conditions but trust me, you're way off.
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As expected you completely missed my point and decided to pretend I was saying there is no such thing as aspergers/autism and that everyone is normal. I am well aware that its a 'proper medical condition' and that much should be obvious from my posts. I know how it works and I'm not coming at this from a 'lol it doesnt exist, they are all just weirdos' position.
It will never go away and you don't really get 'cured' but in all but the very serious cases it's also possible to manage it, understand the limitations it presents you with and get on with a relatively normal, everyday life with normal, everyday relationships, friends and a social life. You'll never be the same as Mr Man in the Street but neither do you need to spend your entire life as a social recluse telling the internet how you'll never be normal and leaning on your diagnosis as a crutch whenever you do something socially awkward or feel socially threatened. What is normal anyway?
Indeed it is/was.
I take interest in topics about human behaviour, but often these threads deteriorate into an almost Victorian "suck it up and sort ya life out" vs overly-sympathetic "there there, it's not anyone's responsibility, we're all special but all equal" debate when the reality is somewhere in the middle. im sure in your world im capable of beeing a male escort aswell or a holiday tour rep, maybe ill try my hand at motivational speaking.[TW]Fox;20668081 said:
look into autism FFS especially the bit about emotions and taking everything literally
I think you missed his point. He hasn't implied such people can do 'everything' - in fact your attitude is sort of backing him up!
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I have a cousin who has severe autism. He is about 20 now and I don't think he has said a word in his entire life. It is a horrible affliction that I wouldn't wish on anyone.
I know a couple of people who have been diagnosed with Aspergers and they are able to lead pretty normal lives. One of them works in IT and the other is an IFA. I used to just think the IFA was a pain in the arse until I discovered he suffered from Aspergers.
I still think he is a pain in the arse but at least I understand why.
I know a couple of people who have been diagnosed with Aspergers and they are able to lead pretty normal lives. One of them works in IT and the other is an IFA. I used to just think the IFA was a pain in the arse until I discovered he suffered from Aspergers.
I still think he is a pain in the arse but at least I understand why.