Sometimes I'm ashamed to be British...
- Thread starter King Damager
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I live in Glasgow, well you are the one making grandiose claims, back them up, already your 30% of people bron outside of scotland dropped to 15%
There is no such thing as 'football sectarianism'! It's either racism, bigotry or the misused sectarianism, it doesn't require a prefix!
I have hear Liechtenstein's national anthem boo'd, i have also heard God save the queen boo'd at Murrayfield, hey, maybe it's a sports problem.
You are wiser to the problem than i think? For a start you seem to think it is all down to football, shows how naive you are. The biggest thing standing in the way of working with racism and bigorty in Scotland is people thinking it is a 'football problem'
I have no issue with people taking pride in being Scottish, i have a problem with people who say there is no racism in scotland, it is a hive of integration and we all love each other.
How is my view biased and Biohazzards isn't?? You have lived the racism here, i have also witness anti English racism in my work. I am Scottish, born and bred, and i am willing to call Scotland out for its problems in the hope of maybe fixing them.
Maybe i should bury my head in the sand and think everything is rosy, cos then it will be, right??
Jay794 said:
You misread my comment, I said most, for example, my parents met and married young, they've only ever slept with eachother, thus I met my girlfriend (now fiance) when I was 16, I'm 24 now and due to be married in 2013, and I've only ever slept with her. Thus by parents ideals/morals rubbed off on me.
Part 2 - My dad is very intolerant of gays (I say it that way because the word homophobic makes it sound like he's afraid of them, which he's not)
Thus, I grew up slightly intolerant of gay people, until I met loads of them and became friends, even lived with a gay guy at uni and realised that, as long as they're not trying to arse rape me (which based on the way I look, I'm quite safe) I have no problem with them lol.
My point - SOME of your parents ideals and morals may rub of on you
You seem to make it out that there is racism around every single corner and is evident all over the place. I'm saying that that isn't true and for you to be subjected to racial abuse or negative treatment then you would be in the minority.
Biohazard accepts that there is problems, but states that he has seen very little of it because there is very little of it.
If you are wanting to call scotland out for its problems then perhaps doing so in a coherent, sensible way instead of the multi post rant that you just had would be a better way to do it?
I don't think you should put your head in the sand and I believe the problems that do exist in Scotland need to be tackled (and people are trying to tackle them, with varying degrees of success).
I'm unsure if the boo'ing of Lichensteins anthem, or the UK anthem at a sporting event is really indicitive of racism. I've stood up at pubs whilst England have been playing during the anthem and shown my support for my team and I haven't felt threatened or that I was at the end of racial abuse.
I am not claiming it is around every single corner, but there is racism and bigotry in this country, it is inherent in the society.
I am more taking umbrage at it being an 'English' problem and 'up here is Scotland, everything is great' when it isn't. And the fact he is complacent in the racism/bigotry in Scotland, is the first downfall in the battle against it.
I am more taking umbrage at it being an 'English' problem and 'up here is Scotland, everything is great' when it isn't. And the fact he is complacent in the racism/bigotry in Scotland, is the first downfall in the battle against it.
I wouldn't say that racism is inherent in Scottish society. If that was true then it would be a massive problem that affected a significant part of the population. That isn't true.
As for this thread, to bring this conversation back on topic a little bit, it is to do with immigrants coming into the country and people having a problem with that. Scotland, traditionally, has had a long history of immigration (and emmigration). I don't think that the immigration issue is seen as dangerous as it is in England, and that was what Biohazard was saying (he'll correct me if I'm wrong), and it isn't seen as eroding Scottish identity in quite the same way some people feel it is doing in England.
Is is quite a large problem, so large they are trying to pass new laws through our Government.
Immigration is dangerous here too, my 2 year old nephew was told he couldn't get a place in his local nursery because 'the spaces are being reserved for non-english speaking children' I am as welcoming as the next person, hell my misses isn't from this country and my background is from immigrants, but when things like that happen, it makes you start to wonder how far away we could be from worse things.
No it hasn't, that is what they choose to identify themself as. It isn't the same as birth. There is nothing "grandiose" about claiming a portion of Scottish people did not originate in Scotland.
Football is a significant factor in sectarian violence in the West Coast of Scotland. No where else are the problems felt so accutely and there is a correlation.
No, I didn't. A lot of it is actually borne from the UK state and the history itself. It is encouraged by prejudices being passed down generationally, you have to break that cycle.
Well you should calm yourself down and read what people write in future, I never said there was no racism. What I did was make a person statement, one you clearly resent people doing for what ever vested interest it is that you harbour.
And what has this got to do with what I said?
I mentioned that people in Scotland can integrate, whereas people in England cannot so to the same degree. This has been evidenced by numerous surveys and enquiries and largely it comes down to the condition of the National Identity.
Scotland's national identity is not facing any such crisis like the British/English is. This is one factor for the more lacking cohesion. Scotland is not inherrently racist regardless how much you wish it to be.
A different event you mean?
So let me get this right, you are from an immigrant background your wife is foreign and you are moaning about the effects of immigrants? In Scotland?
Get a bloody grip of yourself.
Is it her or the video of a different woman which was referred to earlier?
Ehh yeah, i am against discrimination, positive or otherwise.
Possibly, she didn't have her child with her. I can't post a link due to the bad language.
Still waiting on 30% btw
Oh there we go, the other great myth, 'it's a Glasgow problem' How about Neil Lennon being attacked on National TV in Edinburgh, and an Edinburgh Jury come out and say not guilty of assault, nevermind the bigoted attachment.
And saying it is al great is going to break that cycle huh?
a 'vested interest' yeah, my vested interest is making Scotland a better country, so shoot me.