'man' feeds kitten to his pet snake

[Glaucus]

What are you jibbering on about? Ofcourse a lot of laws are based on emotion.

It isn't all or nothing and rightly so.

Laws should be fundamentally about evidence, you will always need some public opinion on where the line is drawn. But the underlying law should be based on facts and applied evenly. That way you can't have laws that discriminate or target certain groups.

It's certainly not rightly so.

 

[Scougar]

1) yes it's against the law, why. You saying my argument that laws are based on emotion rather than evidence.
2) then why aren't the other methods banned
3) yes protected by law


So basically you came in here know nothing. As said my argument that laws are based on emotion and public opinion, rather than evidence is stupid.

So common show we hpwhat facts these laws are based on. Or is it that I am actually right.

It's your opinion, I just don't agree with it. I never said I knew the laws, I made that blatant in my answers to your questions.

Lastly, I'm allowed to comment, but thanks for the insult and calling me stupid, obviously you're a much better person than me

 

[bitslice]

good strong argument there.

As was yours,
how people acted 50 years ago is so relevant.

Where in the world I would like to see, is factual evidence before banning things. Which means no such law would exist.

I'm quite happy with the law that says animal cruelty for the purposes of entertainment is illegal

Now all it needs is for the law to mirror what people actually want,
do I want all the cat microwaver/feeder/baggers to ever see daylight again?

No


6 months for this?
...Joke.

I really don't want these people anywhere near me, what is going on inside their heads is as antisocial as it gets.

 

[Glaucus]

It's your opinion, I just don't agree with it. I never said I knew the laws, I made that blatant in my answers to your questions.

Lastly, I'm allowed to comment, but thanks for the insult and calling me stupid, obviously you're a much better person than me

Where did I insult you?

 

[steve-h]

That's not what you said, you said even if it were alive.

But anyway.
You have no problem with mice or cats as long as they are fed dead. Living be it rats or cats is bad.

what??? Please put more effort into your responses, maybe use the quote button...

 

[Scougar]

You call my arguments stupid. Really read back what you have just written.

Why? It's all based on emotional attachments to other humans. Which once again is your argument. (Hmm.. steam game is backing up.. I can continue being entertained ).

(I best read back, because I don't actually think I called your arguments "stupid", but that's me being picky/a *****)

 

[LeJosh]

Laws should be fundamentally about evidence, you will always need some public opinion on where the line is drawn. But the underlying law should be based on facts and applied evenly. That way you can't have laws that discriminate or target certain groups.

It's certainly not rightly so.

So it should be all or nothing?

 

[Glaucus]

As was yours,
how people acted 50 years ago is so relevant.

.

Of course it is in this situation.
As behaviour has been so in breed it is no surprise that such studies show a small link.
Do the study 50 years ago, or of you like another CPU try where people haven't been bombarded by such beliefs and I think you will find a totally different outcome to said research.

These modern research have no control.

 

[LeJosh]

Also I think you're forgetting population control of certain species of animals.

 

[steve-h]

Also I think you're forgetting population control of certain species of animals.

NO ITS COS THEYRE CUTE

 

[Scougar]

Glaucus> Just because it has been brought up here... if cats/kittens were sold in the same way as rats were (frozen), I'd probably be squeamish about it, and wouldn't think it's right, but I wouldn't complain about it per se. I do think that this chap feeding a kitten in this manner is just plain wrong.

 

[Glaucus]

So it should be all or nothing?

Of course.

Why is fox hunting banned, but other opmethods that cause just as much distress are legal?
Where's the sense in that. Public opinion is used to draw the line, the law however should apply equally. If you ban fox hunting, then you ban these other methods as well.

Same either I can farm any animal for food, or I can not. What sense or logic is there for any other controll?

 

[LeJosh]

Of course.

Why is fox hunting banned, but other opmethods that cause just as much distress are legal?
Where's the sense in that. Public opinion is used to draw the line, the law however should apply equally. If you ban fox hunting, then you ban these other methods as well.

Same either I can farm any animal for food, or I can not. What sense or logic is there for any other controll?

Population control.

Also what other hunting would you like banned?

 

[Glaucus]

Population control.

You can still have population controll. It found several methods that were far more humane and it found some practices that were as bad as fox hunting.

You need to expand more.

 

[DBT85]

If you're talking about cats going out and eating mice in the night then that's fine, natural preditors etc. If you're talking about getting a live mouse and feeding it to your cat then that's wrong.

Exactly. If he had fed a dead kitten there would still be uproar because its a kitten, but at least it wasn't put in a room with the predator and made to suffer. My three cats go out and occasionalyl bring something back for me but at least whatever they were chasing had a chance of escape.

I'm surprised by the number of people defending the guy...

This is the internet. White Knights appear for EVERYTHING on the internet.

 

[robfosters]

The ignorance of some on this forum towards keeping reps is staggering.

99.9% of repltile keepers are completely against the feeding of live food. in this day and age it is unecessary. All captive bred snakes can be fed dead food. They are given it from birth. It is only wild caught imported snakes that have the problem of refusing dead food. This can be reversed in the vast majority of snakes with decent care and attention. A small number may refuse completely and I am of the belief that those snakes should be euthanised if a return to the wild is not possible.

The big issue is getting people educated in wild caught animals and convincing them not to buy them from pet shops. Some snakes are extremely hard to breed in captivity and therefore, many are taken from the wild. This was a major problem with Royal Pythons in the 80's and early 90's. These particular snakes are beautiful, gentle animals and make great pets, but when breeding was less understood, the locals in Togo and Ghana used to go rounding them up for the pet trade. It paid them fortunes compared to the usual jobs. The problem being is that they are an incredibly nervous snake and the sudden change in conditions meant many simply refused to feed and starved to death. An awful situation. Luckily, this has changed in the last 10 years and they are now almost exclusively bred in captivity.

So no, snake owners do not feed their snakes live food and anyone that does is not a responsible owner and should be prosecuted and have their animals seized.

Anyway, cats are not a suitable food item for a snake. Snakes eat mainly herbivorous animals. They get their vitamins from the contents of the prey items stomach. Cats are carnivores and don't carry these vitamins in them. Suitable prey items for snakes include mice, rats, guinea pigs, hamsters and rabbits. Maybe the occasional small pig for extremely large snakes.

 

[Meatball]

I'm disturbed by that. It's not the snake eating the kitten that disturbs me but the person filming who's obviously getting a lot of (sick) pleasure from teasing a kitten in a santa hat to a pet snake with christmas music in the background. Not only that but uploading it to the internet.

 

[Skillmister]

99.9% of repltile keepers are completely against the feeding of live food.

That's funny because i know 1 reptile owner and he happily feeds his snakes live mice. I guess by my set of made up statistics that means 0% of reptile keepers are completely against the feeding of live food.

 

[robfosters]

That's funny because i know 1 reptile owner and he happily feeds his snakes live mice. I guess by my set of made up statistics that means 0% of reptile keepers are completely against the feeding of live food.

Then your mate is a prize idiot and should be reported.

 

[kiel367]

Why is a rat fine and not a cat.

because snakes are only supposed to be fed on dead re-heated food, anyone who feeds a live food to their snake needs their nuts crushing in a vice, followed by a prison sentence