That's a very good point. Very highly rated things are very likely to be labelled as over-rated, especially by those who aren't fans of what ever it is. I find the Beatles' music to be boring and bland, and I can't understand the fuss people make over them so they appear "over-rated" to me because I see/hear people rating them far far higher than what I'd rate them.
Anyone think The Beatles are overrated?
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That's a very good point. Very highly rated things are very likely to be labelled as over-rated, especially by those who aren't fans of what ever it is. I find the Beatles' music to be boring and bland, and I can't understand the fuss people make over them so they appear "over-rated" to me because I see/hear people rating them far far higher than what I'd rate them.
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Of course they were.
The Beatles were influenced by Buddy Holly & Chuck Berry but it was the whole package of 4 characters, great harmonies and acting like Oasis before Oasis.
Even at 53 and around at the time, I didn't see the influence but my Dad who was a working musician saw it first hand and what it did to the scene.
It's a case of 'You had to be there' and I wasn't and neither were any of you.
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Amazing band at the time, massively influential, fresh song writing and still one of the most listened to artists to this day.
The majority of their tracks blow anything away in the top 40 over the last 20 years.
I think you know which side of the fence I'm falling on.
The majority of their tracks blow anything away in the top 40 over the last 20 years.
I think you know which side of the fence I'm falling on.
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To the OP - THANK YOU
I have thought this for years. I can't stand their music, even though it has been the basis for a lot of modern pop/rock music, I think a lot of people say they like them because it is the 'done thing'.
I've had people get really off towards me after I said I didn't like Beatles music - so what!
When something different comes along then radio stations are all over it and then people get fedup after hearing it all the time!!
When you really break it down most of the Beatles music was just a slight variation on others around that time, just packaged differently and rammed down peoples throats more. Mr. Cowell has made a living out of this for years so as long as your target audience is willing to buy, Cowell and his cronies are willing to pump out more cr@p.
I have thought this for years. I can't stand their music, even though it has been the basis for a lot of modern pop/rock music, I think a lot of people say they like them because it is the 'done thing'.
I've had people get really off towards me after I said I didn't like Beatles music - so what!
To be fair that isn't hard at all. Musically most of the top 40 are churning out the same old thing just with a few slight changes.
When something different comes along then radio stations are all over it and then people get fedup after hearing it all the time!!
When you really break it down most of the Beatles music was just a slight variation on others around that time, just packaged differently and rammed down peoples throats more. Mr. Cowell has made a living out of this for years so as long as your target audience is willing to buy, Cowell and his cronies are willing to pump out more cr@p.
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I'd say they were pretty much straight up pop up to about Rubber Soul (good pop though). Then they got really interesting and started blooming as musicians, doing all kinds of innovative stuff - you'd only have to look at how their peers saw them at the time to realise they were a cut above most. I don't think they're overrated, but if you dislike them (nothing wrong with that) and everyone else does then of course you'd think it so.
I can let you off an opinion as we are all entitled to one, but the above quote simply isn't true when the Beatles broke onto the music scene there was nothing like them in the mainstream they were the first the trailblazers that others would follow. In my life time the nearest we've had is Nirvana and Oasis, both broke a new mind of music to the public at a time when the pop charts were full of dross an neither has come close to the influence of the fab 4.
Love them or hate them people have been influenced by them ever since and the mere fact that half the posters in this thread have probably never purchased a beatles album but will still be able to name 10 or more tracks by them despite them releasing nothing in a generation pretty much sums it up.
Just to be pedantic JLS have got several song writing credits on there recent albums so they do write some of there own stuff and McFly's Tom Fletcher wrote nearly all there songs, not saying they are Led Zep or anything but you have to be a pretty decent song writier to churn out 10 number ones and twenty top tens before your thirty.
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I'll take Oasis - not sure if you're a musician or not but SO much of their stuff is heavily influenced by the Beatles, they admit it themselves. Infact a few of their songs you could sing a Beatles track over the top!
The distinctive qualities of Nirvana and Oasis - keep it simple and do it with attitute! That's what set them apart from the rest.
I take what you're saying but Beatles were certainly influenced by the likes of Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry and Little Richard. They were most certainly influenced, but clearly have influenced many.
It's well known that Lennon was heavily influenced by the writing style/formula of Bob Dylan as well.
To say they were original isn't correct. To say they were one of the most influential bands ever, probably true.
Doesn't mean I have to like them though.
Actually, to get to that point they probably had to write more like 300+ songs these days as record labels expect you to have a lot of material when it comes to putting an album together. Makes these young song writers even more impressive to be honest.
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Early stuff is influenced by American rock n roll/blues. Older stuff is less so. The originally comes not just from massively experimental songwriting, but also through recordings and production techniques.
Regardless of number 1 singles it's still pretty rare to release as much material as they did in a short space of time and for most of it garner huge critical acclaim. That's not been done since.
The truly remarkable quality of the band was their ability to conjure something great out of simplicity. Which they done regularly, in my opinion.
Original doesn't mean they had no influences surley if you extend that argument then there is no origional music never has been and never will be as everything is influenced by what comes before it. Original surely has to be looked at as game changing and massively copied afterwards, look at the music that was around when the Beatles first broke and look what came afterwards they changed the game in the same way the greats before them like Buddy Holly and Elvis did. Oasis and Norvana have had a similar impact both heavily influenced by music that came before them but what they did changed the market, when Nirvana broke into the mainstream it was like everything changed and the number of imitators that followed was massive and similarly Oasis (as you say heavily influenced by the Beatles) changed the music scene over night suddenly guitar bands were cool again and they were everywhere.
One of the truly great things about music is the diversity and how everyone has a different opinion, you don't have to like anything but you should be able to respect greatness even if it comes from a band your not a fan of. Personally I can't stand Oasis and hate listening to anything that Liam sings with a passion but I can appreciate what they did to music in the 90's.
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Who said I dont respect them? I just dont like them.
I'm not a big fan of Oasis and certainly not a fan of Nirvana, but respect their influence on music.
Of course, if you boil it down most popular music can be broken down into a few modes anyway.
There are very few great musicians that have ever graced the pop/rock stage, in my view greatness is not defined by popularity.
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Liverpool is a ****hole. I hate everything about the place except for The Beatles! Seriously what else has it got going for it? It's a detestable place with detestable people.
And Oasis have some of the worst lyrics ever.
"All your dreams are made of strawberry lemonade"
They got away with it because of the melodies and 'coolness' factor. Seriously, if you'd never heard the song, looked at the lyrics on a sheet of paper, they are awful.
And Oasis have some of the worst lyrics ever.
"All your dreams are made of strawberry lemonade"
They got away with it because of the melodies and 'coolness' factor. Seriously, if you'd never heard the song, looked at the lyrics on a sheet of paper, they are awful.
Not sure what your irrational hatred of a city has to do with the price of bread let alone wether or not the Beatles are any good they could have crawled out of the pits of hell covered in all the filth of humanity and there music would still have blown peoples minds.
Which perfectly sums up why music isn't just about notes and lyrics, it's all about time, setting, audience and a billion other un tangible factors. I bet if you look at the favourite tracks and albums of most of the posters here very few were picked for there musical excellence or lyrical genius they will mostly be the songs we fell in love with at a certain time in life and that we will cling to forever despite eventually realising they are pretty worthless musically. Unless of course you were one of the lucky few who's 'moment' happened to conincide with a brilliant album or two.
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"Sitting on a cornflake waiting for the van to come
Corporation teeshirt, stupid b100dy Tuesday
Man you been a naughty boy. You let your face grow long
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the walrus, goo goo goo joob"
And what do you make of these lyrics?
If anything it's Oasis that's overrated not The Beatles, they churn out lyrics like that because all they can do is rip-off The Beatles but don't understand what songs like Lucy in the sky with dimonds were actually about.
The Beatles really do deserve the title of the greatest band ever.
Hence JL was trolling
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