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AMD 6930 - 7950/7950 $ Prices.

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WTF?????? UGS??


AMD are able to create a market environment where they can A. price there high end pieces slightly more than is affordable comfortable yet not so much as too put of perspective enthusiasts and B price there mid end pieces high enough to generate good profit while not creating a situation where either product infringes on there prospective target customers.

Personally i think it is a good sign that AMD feel confident enough to be able to do this, its very promising for the future, AMD/ATI are the strongest they have been for a very long time, maybe ever, why shouldn't they be able to cash in on the market they have worked hard to create. Nvidia have commanded a premium for there products since day dot.
 
rolypolyman said:
Really Surveyor, please remind again the price of the 6950 2Gb at launch. Not anywhere near £359, in fact I dont think the 6970 was even that much. Sorry but that kind of money is a big deal for me as I only earn £250pw. Its time manufacturers and retailers remembered the financial constraints the ordinary person is under and the fact a lot of us have not had a pay rise for some 3yrs now and with inflation etc the pound in my pocket does not go very far. I will have some Xmas money with which I usually upgrade my graphics card but this year is not looking good and I am seriously considering selling my computer, sad times indeed but not helped by the greed for profit of Nvidia or Amd and indeed etailors. Prices of hard drives for instance, Thai floods my arse! Rant over.:mad: ^^^^^^WTF.
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Boohoo, so you cant afford a 7970/50, we cant all have what we want, buy a 7870, it will do the job just as well for you. This is bnot he manufacturers issue thats why there are multiple lines of cards.
 
Kanifee said:
Boohoo, so you cant afford a 7970/50
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Bit harsh there mate, he's only giving his view on how much he's willing to spend, times are hard and he was only explaining his situation, no need to patronise him.



On the point at hand, hands up who paid £389+ for the 5870 toxic when Nvidia didn't have a DX11 card on the table?

Is there going to be any new games that the new cards will struggle with anyway, I mean my 6950>70 Crossfire eats just about everything for breakfast anyway.

We are now getting very high fps in most games with existing gpu's anyway, what's the point going from 80fps to 120fps to the vast majority of users using 1080p?
 
There is no surprise here.

Manufacturers invest billions of ££ to design new chips and have them developed and commissioned at fabs before they know if it will really work and how performance will scale compared to their competitor.

When a new high end chip is launched on a new process node inevitably the yield will be low, with a big die and billions of transistors that's a lot of reject cores that still cost money to make. This is recouped by the initial sale price. When the process improves the manufacturer can drop the price as they are paying for less failed cores.... or like Nvidia you offload 10,000 of the failed cores at Xmas as a special offer.

Any card that's launched will be priced on priced on comparison to the performance and pricing of it's peers.

Look how much debate 560ti, 1GB, 2GB or 448 shaders creates and who could really tell the difference in game play from anything other than extreme settings if you were just sat in front of a machine with a modern game.

Nvidia and AMD aren't so much greedy as operators of one of the biggest global gambles of success / failure so when it pays off they need to have a good year to pay for all the years of thin margins or loss making.

They only need to be 5% better at the same price point for nearly every benchmark and post to recommend. That's how tough it is.

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When i bought my last car i didn't stand around wishing i could afford a Ferrari, i just bought an Audi which will drive down the motorway at the same speed, it would be a different story if i could only drive on racetracks (3 monitor setup) but alas I only drive on motorways (1080p).

6950/70's are already overkill for the majority of current games at 1080 so i'm not too worried about the pricing of 7*** series. If they came in at low prices then great but if not it's not as though i'd need them unless playing on a 3 monitor setup, if i could afford that then i would be able to afford them anyway.
 
Actually this just crossed my mind...is AMD trying to make more money on GPU side due to their epic fail on Bulldozer?

Either way, I think the price for those cards are simply too high...so what if 7950 was 80% faster than 6950? I bet 33~40% of those "extra performance" should had been on going from 5850 going onto 6950, if not for the 32nm process skip. So the minimal performance increase between 5000 and 6000 series give them the excuse to charge a high premium for the 7000 series because it basically took part of the performance increase that should had been on between 5000 and 6000 series? That is just wrong. If they are just gonna stack this new cards on top of GTX580's pricing, the graphic card price would be up to a grand before we know it in a few gens time.

And from business point of view, sure people that lots of money to blow will certainly buy them, but for the average gamers who won't pay more than £250 for graphic card, they will simply say NO to AMD and wait for Nvidia to release their cards and see what happens. I guess in a way AMD is taking a gamble...if Nvidia, and I do mean IF Nvidia manage to deliver much superior 28nm cards, AMD slashing price by then might not help with the sales. Rather than taking advantage of rolling all the "up to £250" customers in right now, they rather make higher profit margin per product, tell these people to wait for Nvidia cards instead and risk losing them.

But I guess Nvidia is equally deserve the blame...if they can get their acts together and not let AMD release new gen cards ahead of them, the AMD wouldn't be able to charge as they please.
 
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In a way I think AMD's pricing is making a strong statement. They are telling us that they are the top dogs, and can demand a premium. I expect great performance from the cards, and I think it might be the start of the end of the dual GPU era.

Just like the 2500K for intel was like a golden age for processors (in terms of price/performance), the 6950/70 has been for AMD a golden age. Whether the 79** cards will be worth it, only time will tell.

And if they are *worth it* then I can't see there being need on the market for a 7990 :eek:
 
Well, if those prices are correct, then quite happy I got 6950 Toxic crossfire at decent price.

At the suggested prices, unless they are considerably more powerful (more than 100%), then just doesn't look like good value for money to me.

Ok, heat and power usage will be better, but so what?

I expect great performance from the cards, and I think it might be the start of the end of the dual GPU era.
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Don't think dual gpu will be going away for some time. I am pretty sure most cards will be designed with most common res in mind, likely 1080p these days, and there are plenty of options for going above that now, such as eyefinity and high res monitors.

Ok, these cards will likely offer same performance as my current setup for now, but when the next lot of games comes around that require more power, will be back to crossfire.
 
tommybhoy said:
Bit harsh there mate, he's only giving his view on how much he's willing to spend, times are hard and he was only explaining his situation, no need to patronise him.
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Why is it, the fact you cant afford something is not a valid argument that its priced too high. Nvidia have charged a premium for years, AMD/ATI have earned the right to do the same by introducing strong competitively priced pieces to the market consistently and putting pressure on Nvidia, why shouldn't they reap what they have sown?

Why shouldnt they use the market when it is in the favor to make money to enable them to slash prices when there is competition?

Fact is the 5850 hardly moved in price with the release of the 69 series and at one point actually increased, second hand sales of the 5850 dropped by £20 through the life of the 69 series, the same will be true withe the release of the 79, we as a market lavish in these cheap parts but when these parts still stand strong after 3 or 4 years and are still very capable they have a strong effect on the market. It i s also a good indication of how much power the new parts have when they are far more powerful, and people are surprised they cost a premium???
 
you could equally argue it the other way with people being surprised cards like the 6970 were so expensive despite giving only a very modest improvement on previous generations

There's no way i'll give up my overclocked 5850 for anything less than a 7950, the jump just won't be worth the outlay, and if a 7950 is 350 notes, i might just reconsider whether i can play BF3 with what i've got and i reckon a lot of people will probably do the same.

If you have any sort of responsibility or live away from home money is tight at the moment
 
Hey im the breadwinner in my house, im not on fantastic wages and find myself with less and less money, Im not saying times are not hard im feeling it just as much as the next person and im sure i wont be replacing my 6950 with a 7 series, i couldn't afford it but this is never going to be a valid reason that something is overpriced.

As soon as Nvidia release there product AMD will slash the price of there cards, this will stir people into 'grabbing bargains', its how the market works and to expect AMD to release there next gen cards priced considerably cheaper than Nvidia last gen is frankly a little naive, AMD are going to gross revenues that will allow them to slash prices. More power to them!
 
http://lenzfire.com/2011/12/amd-radeon-hd-7950-7970-dual-gpu-7990-price-specs-89652/

Radeon HD 7970 comes with

2048 shader processors
120 texture units
Graphics core running at 1 GHz
3 GB of dedicated GDDR5 memory
384-bit interfacing with spectacular memory frequency of 1.37 GHz
Memory bandwidth of a single core up to 264 GB / s
Informal Price: $449

Radeon HD 7950 would stand a notch below the previous one but still is enthusiastic. Because it can run any current 3D game that is demanding the highest quality and resolution.
Radeon HD 7950 comes with

1920 would shader processors
900 MHz graphics core
2 GB of dedicated memory GDDR5
256-bit interface with a memory frequency of 1.25 GHz
Informal Price: $349

7950 $349 = £223

I can afford £233. :D
 
Just hope I can get 3x7970 and they hammer 2x5970 and still faster than 2x6990 that I didn't bother upgrading to.
Had my 5970s since Nov 2009 so really desperate to upgrade the rest of my system!
 
LtMatt said:
Informal Price: $349

7950 $349 = £223

I can afford £233. :D
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All these prices are just guesswork.

You'll have to add 20% VAT to whatever the actual dollar price conversion works out at plus the likelihood of UK price gouging.

Even if they are priced at $349 that would likely be nearer £300 in the UK.
 
Surveyor said:
All these prices are just guesswork.

You'll have to add 20% VAT to whatever the actual dollar price conversion works out at plus the likelihood of UK price gouging.

Even if they are priced at $349 that would likely be nearer £300 in the UK.
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Yeah i know. :(

Still trying to be optimistic. ;)

If it goes much over £250 i think ill have to drop out of the running for a new card.
 
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