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Please explain to me how they were profiteering? How is that defined for this context ?
Paypal: You're not allowed to donate toys to kids.
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The Charity was 'Christmas presents for kids', not 'We are making so much profit that we will send out cash gifts to the families as well'.
This simply isnt allowed on a nonprofit paypal account with discounted rates.
"Oh, non-charities can totally use the donate button, just not for charity." - surely then she could have told PayPal all the money was donated to her for her and then out of kindness she was using that money to buy presents for the kids? If so, that doesn't seem to break the policy?
It doesnt work this way, as she was already using the charity as a means to raise the cash.
What you describe would be the same thing as advertising for donations for 'children in need', and then saying 'now I am pocketing all the money for my own profit'.
You cant set up a profit account using the donate button for a charity, as this would essentially be profiteering from a fake charity.
This would be illegal I am sure, you cant set up a donation based charity to earn personal profit.
What she should have done and said is 'We raised more money than we needed, so we are going to buy more presents for the kids'.
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No they weren't, they were associated with an organisation that happened to be doing something charitable, NOT a charitable organisation (the organisation was registered as a for profit org...)
So basically PayPal are saying that because people were donating with the idea that their money was going towards a gift, it has to go towards a gift, and that her not using their money for what she said it would be used for is against the rules?
It's hardly a charity organisation, it's one person who happens to be part of an online community who decided to do something nice to help people out - in pretty much the same way as some members on here have done.
Where exactly are they profiteering?
They're sending all of the donations out to the people they're helping.Thanks, that's pretty much what I was going for
Actually it would be more like advertising donations to buy a new shelter for children in need and then saying "we've got more donations than we needed for the shelter, so now we're going to make them a playground too"
Which is pretty much what she said, except instead of spending it on presents, she was sending it direct to the parents as cash.
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Regardless of whether she was technically in the wrong due to the ambiguous wording of this statement:
"Donations not associated with a charity or nonprofit organization don’t need to meet these requirements, but all donations are subject to review."
Paypal should have handled it a lot better, either by allowing her to retrospectively follow the correct procedure, or by allowing a full refund.
The only people "profiteering" from this situation are paypal themselves.
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Non profit organisation or worthy cause as per their documents.
And their customer service is qaulity
PAYPAL: Only a nonprofit can use the Donate button.
ME: That’s false. It says right in the PDF of instructions for the Donate button that it can be used for “worthy causes.”
PAYPAL: I haven’t seen that PDF. And what you’re doing is not a worthy cause, it’s charity.
ME: What’s the difference?
PAYPAL: You can use the donate button to raise money for a sick cat, but not poor people.
Account now unfrozen and donation by PayPal made.
And their customer service is qaulity
PAYPAL: Only a nonprofit can use the Donate button.
ME: That’s false. It says right in the PDF of instructions for the Donate button that it can be used for “worthy causes.”
PAYPAL: I haven’t seen that PDF. And what you’re doing is not a worthy cause, it’s charity.
ME: What’s the difference?
PAYPAL: You can use the donate button to raise money for a sick cat, but not poor people.
Account now unfrozen and donation by PayPal made.
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No it isn't and no they weren't. For a start, you can use it for anything including personal purchases (i.e. raising money to fund your own website, server or whatever).
Paypal said:
Paypal said:
Notice it says, specifically as a charity. Collecting for charity as a for profit organization doesn't require any pre-approval and will not be subject to a discounted rate as above.
Secondly, you've even quoted yourself that they were giving the money away so how were they profiteering?
You cant use a nonprofit donation account for your own personal gain, or to earn more money than your nonprofit organisation would use due to paypall simply wanting a cut from profitable donations.
You cannot set up a profitable donation account and advertise it as a 'helping the children' thing, as this is using a profitable account to gain money from advertising a charity (ILLEGAL!).
Whether she was going to give all the money away or not has nothing to do with it. The account was misused against paypals T+Cs.
If it actually was a normal profitable account which Im begining to think it was, then it was an illegal account in the first place.
Before I post about this any further, anyone who wants to debate it look up and find out whether the account in question was a profit or non profit account.
You cannot set up a profitable donation account and advertise it as a 'helping the children' thing, as this is using a profitable account to gain money from advertising a charity (ILLEGAL!).
Whether she was going to give all the money away or not has nothing to do with it. The account was misused against paypals T+Cs.
If it actually was a normal profitable account which Im begining to think it was, then it was an illegal account in the first place.
Before I post about this any further, anyone who wants to debate it look up and find out whether the account in question was a profit or non profit account.
Instead of constantly repeating yourself, why don't you explain where exactly she was personally gaining from it? You've been asked several times now, and keep avoiding it and instead quoting the same irrelevant piece of information from the T&C.
