AMD 6930 - 7950/7950 $ Prices.

ViRuS2k · 6 Dec 2011 at 13:00

I have decided im keeping both my 6970s lol like anything is going to slow those cards down for another 7 months.

Devlish · 6 Dec 2011 at 13:08

Kanifee said:
Why is it, the fact you cant afford something is not a valid argument that its priced too high. Nvidia have charged a premium for years, AMD/ATI have earned the right to do the same by introducing strong competitively priced pieces to the market consistently and putting pressure on Nvidia, why shouldn't they reap what they have sown?

Why shouldnt they use the market when it is in the favor to make money to enable them to slash prices when there is competition?

Fact is the 5850 hardly moved in price with the release of the 69 series and at one point actually increased, second hand sales of the 5850 dropped by £20 through the life of the 69 series, the same will be true withe the release of the 79, we as a market lavish in these cheap parts but when these parts still stand strong after 3 or 4 years and are still very capable they have a strong effect on the market. It i s also a good indication of how much power the new parts have when they are far more powerful, and people are surprised they cost a premium???

see, you can make your point without resorting to personal insults. Waiting for a 7870 here, early adopters for the 79XX are going to get gouged, I just want a card that'll last me 18 months.

straxusii · 6 Dec 2011 at 13:13

Jokester said:
AMD's pricing has been very much driven by NVIDIA's pricing since the 3870. It's no wonder than with each new generation that has closed the gap on performance, so the price gap has also closed...

Plus Gibbo (OcUK's purchasing manager) openly admitted at the time AMD discounted the 6*** cards because of the NVIDIA 5** cards catching everyone unawares.

How come the 5870 launched for £300 then? It was the fastest single GPU at the time.

oulton · 6 Dec 2011 at 13:23

the 7990 will be godlike ie the 5970

elrasho · 6 Dec 2011 at 13:31

I'm skipping the 7xxx series if these end up being the prices. /looks at 5850 CF with a grin/

Troezar · 6 Dec 2011 at 14:00

I'm after a single card solution that will play things well as 2560x1440 so hoping these cards aren't too silly in price.

AMD's strategy will be interesting to see given Nvidia are not going to compete for months. Instead of pricing very high they could price similarly to Nvidia's current prices and force NV to drop their prices. By the time the 6xx series come out a lot of people may have upgraded to AMD leaving Nvidia chasing sales...just a thought

Biffa · 6 Dec 2011 at 14:03

I don't understand you lot, 3GB GTX580 cards start around £430 incl, if the 7970 eats one why shouldn't it be priced accordingly.

Yes if its a performance dog and doesn't significantly beat a GTX580 then its overpriced, but if it is a higher performing part why shouldn't it have a price tag to match?

Martini1991 · 6 Dec 2011 at 14:08

Biffa said:
I don't understand you lot, 3GB GTX580 cards start around £430 incl, if the 7970 eats one why shouldn't it be priced accordingly.

Yes if its a performance dog and doesn't significantly beat a GTX580 then its overpriced, but if it is a higher performing part why shouldn't it have a price tag to match?

Personally, I'm not too fussed on the price, however, some performance parts from AMD haven't been that high a price.

When the 4870x2 was top dog, that was 350.
When the 5870 was top dog, the first DX11 part, it was 300 with the 5850 at 200.

Then again.. When the 5970 came out, it was rather expensive, as was the 6990...

Looking at that, I think it'd be unwise to even try and speculate a price

~>Dg<~ · 6 Dec 2011 at 14:12

ViRuS2k said:
I have decided im keeping both my 6970s lol like anything is going to slow those cards down for another 7 months.

this is the whole point no games to test cards we have now never mind faster ones

bf3 is most testing game and that runs fine now and there wont be nothing for another year yet and that next game from them will be a tweaked more optimized version of the new frostbite engine

stealthgeek · 6 Dec 2011 at 14:30

hmmm - I cant run BF3 on a single 6970 2GB at 1920x1200, with everything set to ultra, and get no less than 60fps on maps like Caspain....

So, my choices are to Crossfire, which I would rather stay away from hearing some of the stories on here, or wait for the 7970.

I dont think its fair to say that the 6970 can run everything without issue, I might get down to 30fps sometimes on Caspian - theres definately room for improvement

Dicehunter · 6 Dec 2011 at 15:08

I'd better start saving for the 7970 then, add another £100-200 on top for ocuk's prices.

Dicehunter · 6 Dec 2011 at 15:09

stealthgeek said:
hmmm - I cant run BF3 on a single 6970 2GB at 1920x1200, with everything set to ultra, and get no less than 60fps on maps like Caspain....

So, my choices are to Crossfire, which I would rather stay away from hearing some of the stories on here, or wait for the 7970.

I dont think its fair to say that the 6970 can run everything without issue, I might get down to 30fps sometimes on Caspian - theres definately room for improvement

I havent played 1 thing the 6970 couldnt handle, must be something wrong with your rig.

~>Dg<~ · 6 Dec 2011 at 15:15

tbh ultra isnt worth it in bf3

it is costing you 100s more for a few things that actually make it look worse !

also best thing is if you knock msaa off youll be more than capable of running it with your current card.

also people are making and currently have injectors working that make it look better than in game with higher fps ! its just how they poorly done the msaa in bf3 which is the fps killer in bf3.

easiest thing is just play high and save your self about 400 quid for basically no difference.

drunkenmaster · 6 Dec 2011 at 17:20

straxusii said:
How come the 5870 launched for £300 then? It was the fastest single GPU at the time.

On top of the 6970 dropping in price, and the 4870 was cheaper than the 3870.... so one case the card prices increased, when the dollar went from over $2 to a £1, to closer to $1.50/£1 , with a MUCH worse process and a chip that was around 35% bigger.

Its simple economics, not Nvidia pricing strategy and the ONE card that came out at an increased price for AMD came out with zero opposition and cost LESS than a 285gtx was priced at.

AMD is setting the prices, and Nvidia are the ones reacting, the only reason 470gtx's got as cheap as they did and 570gtx's at their cheapest, is AMD prices, not the other way around. Which isn't surprising as at every price point they have 30-35% smaller cards, which simply means they are a LOT cheaper to make.

As for reacting to an unsuspecting 5xx series from Nvidia, lol, the 580gtx was out LONG before the 6970, yet the price drop on the 6970 happened DAYS before launch, as in 2-3 days. Reacting to 580gtx/570gtx pricing would mean, very simply that Gibbo wouldn't be being told prices of £350 for a 6970 from a couple days after the 580gtx launched.

9th Nov vs 15th Dec, no one knew 6970 prices at the 9th Nov, so why would AMD react to this pricing, then 3 weeks later tell people the old increased price, then drop it 2 days before launch, more importantly, why do they do this with almost every launch

See where the prices end up on launch and quit speculating about it now, it has a VERY high chance of changing and even if they launched at silly prices, wait 3 weeks and watch sales of 6970/6950/570/560ti(new) go through the roof as EOL pricing and the equivalent Nvidia cards having to match those, will make them vastly better options than overpriced 7970/50 cards.......

Marine-RX179 · 6 Dec 2011 at 17:42

Biffa said:
I don't understand you lot, 3GB GTX580 cards start around £430 incl, if the 7970 eats one why shouldn't it be priced accordingly.

Yes if its a performance dog and doesn't significantly beat a GTX580 then its overpriced, but if it is a higher performing part why shouldn't it have a price tag to match?

Because we are talking about next gen card here...a new gen card is suppose to drive the old gen card (i.e. the GTX580) down in price and replace their price point, not to stack on top of already over-priced card (again, GTX580) to rub salt on wounds...

Biffa · 6 Dec 2011 at 17:47

But its the same price as the GTX580 but more performance, so it should drive the 580 price down.

varkanoid · 6 Dec 2011 at 17:47

GPU card releases are coming too quick these days. Nothing warrants the purchase IMHO. Going to come to a point where AMD and NVIDIA have got new cards that no one wants or needs.

bigjimmyauk · 6 Dec 2011 at 18:15

How long do people think it will be before we hit the thermal/power wall in regards to gpu's

Marine-RX179 · 6 Dec 2011 at 18:19

Biffa said:
But its the same price as the GTX580 but more performance, so it should drive the 580 price down.

$549 isn't gonig to be same price as current GTX580...with UK's inflated price, it would most likely be something like £450~£500

blackninja · 6 Dec 2011 at 18:31

oulton said:
the 7990 will be godlike ie the 5970

I got my godlike Sapphire 5970 OC for £430 on release ... anything higher was just greedy retailers and there were loads for £500 + ! Got my 2 5870 Vapor-Xs for £280 each as well at the same time ... these prices were delivered inc of VAT