Muslim girl gang escape jail after judge hears 'they weren't used to drinking because of their relig
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Indeed, while there are certainly things we don't know, we know enough to be able to make a fairly sound judgement on whether the women were trying to kill her or not.
Can someone who wants to defend these witches please tell me what a person could hope to achieve by kicking someone who is unconscious and on the floor in the head multiple times if it isn't to kill them?
It's stuff like this that reinforces the idea of "them and us". There needs to be consistency between rulings where race is an element. I have no doubt that a group of white women attacking a woman from a minority group after insults like "gollywog ****" would face racially aggravated assault charges. It shouldn't matter who had which skin colour.
Yes that's right. You need a degree and years of experience to hold an opinion. If the victim's account of what happened is to be believed then you really don't need to be the sharpest tool to realise a difference in sentencing when the skin colour of the victim changes.
Yes that's right. You need a degree and years of experience to hold an opinion. If the victim's account of what happened is to be believed then you really don't need to be the sharpest tool to realise a difference in sentencing when the skin colour of the victim changes.
Im not. I've seen people kicked in the head on the gorund lots of times. Very nasty. Doesn't automatically make it murder. I have sen maybe 7-8 people kicked in the ehad when on the ground, both at school and outside clubs and bars. For the cases I knew the victim or attacker not once was the attacker ever charged with attempted murder. Heck the bullies I hjave seen repeatedly kick a friend in the ehad when on the ground were not even expelled from school for more than 24 hours.
We also do not know the stike pattern. Maybe the victim was kicked all over with a few kicks landing on the head?
Put it this way, if the Muslim women really wanted to murder the victim then they would have either used a weapon, or tried to strangle and suffocate, or would grab her head and slam it off the ground, or would stamp on her neck with full force, or some combination. Evidently nothing like this occurred and we can only asume it was a drunken street brawl with very nasty vicsious kicking for someone defenseless on the ground.
And I freely admit that I am surprised at the sentencing considering the violent nature of the attack. But I don't see it as attempted murder, nor did the court, legal system and Judge.
Indeed, while there are certainly things we don't know, we know enough to be able to make a fairly sound judgement on whether the women were trying to kill her or not.
Can someone who wants to defend these witches please tell me what a person could hope to achieve by kicking someone who is unconscious and on the floor in the head multiple times if it isn't to kill them?
Pain, injury, bruising, etc. The usualy things when people fight. OR do you think everyone intends to fight to the death and murder their asailant?
The prosecution probably decided on the lesser charge in order to be sure of securing a conviction. I don't necessarily blame them for that at all. And they did secure a conviction. Of course the judge and the court are not going to find them guilty of something they weren't charged with.
If the boyfriend hadn't been there, I think they would have killed her (or she would have at least suffered serious brain damage).
Obviously they would say otherwise, but we all know that's BS.
How do you know this? Are you an omnipotent omnipresent God?
If they did want to killl her then I would be extremely angry at the sentencing, not mildly angry as I am now. With the scarcity of information I will trust the legal system unless substantial evidence can be given otherwise.
How do you know otherwise? You don't.
Aim - To determine whether or not the British Legal System is racially / religiously biased
Hypothesis - The British legal system is racially / religiously biased due to unequal treatment of people of different races / religions
Research plan:
At this pont, feel free to Write your own 500 word summary from this thread on OCUK and the linked article:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18349167
Method:
- Aquire two pairs of actors, each pair consisting of one white, and one black person claiming to be a Muslim. All four actors should be of the same gender to eliminate any sexual bias:
-Pair A) The black actor makes racial insults, and threats of death / physical violence against the white actor
-Pair B) The white actor makes racial insults, and threats of death / physical violence against the black actor
- In each case, the victim reports racial abuse and assault to the police, and awaits the results of the legal proceedings and court case
- Await police treatment and court cases from each events.
Results: The method is yet to be carried out.
Conclusion: The results of repeat investigations plus statistical testing would determine whether the hypothesis is true or false.
__________________
*Submits aim, hypothesis, research plan and method for Ethical approval*
Ethics commitee response - You are not allowed to carry out this research because it is racist.
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Hypothesis - The British legal system is racially / religiously biased due to unequal treatment of people of different races / religions
Research plan:
At this pont, feel free to Write your own 500 word summary from this thread on OCUK and the linked article:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18349167
Method:
- Aquire two pairs of actors, each pair consisting of one white, and one black person claiming to be a Muslim. All four actors should be of the same gender to eliminate any sexual bias:
-Pair A) The black actor makes racial insults, and threats of death / physical violence against the white actor
-Pair B) The white actor makes racial insults, and threats of death / physical violence against the black actor
- In each case, the victim reports racial abuse and assault to the police, and awaits the results of the legal proceedings and court case
- Await police treatment and court cases from each events.
Results: The method is yet to be carried out.
Conclusion: The results of repeat investigations plus statistical testing would determine whether the hypothesis is true or false.
__________________
*Submits aim, hypothesis, research plan and method for Ethical approval*
Ethics commitee response - You are not allowed to carry out this research because it is racist.
Awwwww
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Witness reports said that the women were shouting “kill the white ****” so there's your answer Einstein
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That is not proof.
Witnesses aren't proof any more?
I'm sure they just made it up.
That is merely proof of saying those words, not proof to intent to murder.
Come on Robbo, you are sharper than this!Can someone who wants to defend these witches please tell me what a person could hope to achieve by kicking someone who is unconscious and on the floor in the head multiple times if it isn't to kill them?
Fot a crime you need a 'mens rea', the mental element of the crime, which is intending to kill someone for attempted murder. This is almost impossible to prove - how can you say beyond reasonable doubt that they were trying to kill her? Saying 'kill her' is not always a literal meaning of the words and kicking someone in the head isn't proof of this either (has there actually been any details of injuries to the head other than some hair pulled out?).
Saying it plus carrying out actions which are likely to endanger life = intent
Perhaps in your opinion, but actually and legally speaking you are factually wrong.
To add my legal opinion, Nitefly is correct.