Another tram experience... 96 year old WW2 veteran beat by a black man, gets no jail time

When you see him at the end you can see he is just a bit of a cheeky chappy, happy-go-lucky type character. I'm sure he meant no harm and was just playing with the old gent.

A verdict of "boys will be boys" seems fair enough for the rascal.
 
kenmare said:
That's harsh and unwarranted.

Castiel is right in that it's a poor show that a whole bus saw an elderly man get beaten upon and yet it's two children that make any sort of attempt at helping the situation.

Dosen't mean you have to be Bruce Lee, but c'mon it was a poor response.
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Edited - prefer you not to quote my name :(
 
bhavv said:
I said that no one could do anything before the attack happened. As you say, it is impossible to tell from the footage if they could, so why do you assume that you could do what no one else seemed able to?

I cant tell you why no one else acted after the attack had happened, but in all seriousness, the vast majority of people wouldnt do anything in a situation like that. Most would be afraid of putting themselves in harms way in such a case.

You are trying to act as though if you saw someone fire a gun at a 92 year old pensioner, you would try and get in the way of the bullet and become a human shield. I dont doubt that you would react after the victim would have been attacked, but I doubt you or anyone else would do anything to prevent such an attack, because it simply never happens.

But feel free to prove me wrong when you actually manage to save someone from such an attack and are reported by the media as being some kind of big hero like your ego thinks you are.
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Bhavv give it a rest, will you.....I never said any such thing as stepping in front of bullets or sacrificing myself in some kind of heroic nonsense, I said I couldn't understand why no-one did or said anything and that it was left to children and that I, as would many others (including many on this forum) would intercede if they saw a pensioner being beaten or abused, I find it hard to believe that the offender simply walked up to the victim normally and out of the blue walloped him, far more likely he said something first or attempted to push past him in which case there is no reason why someone could not have said or done something in my opinion. That you would walk on by is your prerogative, but don't assume that everyone holds the same opinions or attitudes to others as you do.

You seem to have some personal issue that you need to resolve Bhavv and until you do, I would suggest that you either ignore my posts or add me to your ignore list. It would be preferable to your misrepresenting what I have said simply to illicit a personal attack on my character. I note that you chose my post, in which I said I could not understand why the crowd did nothing either before during or after the assault to misrepresent as though I was saying I was going to personally fly in dressed in a blue and red suit and mete out justice, yet you ignored Cheets64's earlier post where he stated categorically that he would "lay into him".....which illustrates your personal animosity toward me rather than any particular issue with my post per se....
 
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Castiel said:
Bhavv grow up will you.....
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Castiel said:
Indeed. It amazes me that no-one stops people like this from doing it in the first place.
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Fenris said:
Clearly your skills of precognition make you the best choice for this.
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Skidder said:
Not only does Castiel know everything, he knows it in advance of it happening!;););)
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Castiel said:
Clearly it is obvious that if someone is getting aggressive, especially in a crowd of people that they could stop that aggression from escalating into overt violence, or at the very least stop the violence the minute it begins so that the innocent victim suffers a little physical violence as possible.
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This is just so much bulloni coming from someone like you who is meant to be so intelligent, that I had to pick on it. I couldnt resist.

I have no issues with anyone that would react angrily after seeing such an attack, but you're the only person here claiming that people should somehow be stopping things like this from happening before it has even happened.

Unfortunately for us common folk, we dont have the gift of foresight like you do, oh magnificently super powered one.
 
Dimple said:
Hmm, looks like DD missed the name of the Asian that was attacked - Shah Chaudhry.
Surely blacks beating each other up is justified DD?
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Asians aren't black last time I checked :)

And no I didn't miss his name - it's in the OP. I never said the victim was white.
 
dirtydog said:
Asians aren't black last time I checked :)
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When my mate became one of those toy coppers he showed us his handbook and in there it said it was PC to say 'black' referring to anybody from Africa, Middle-East and the East (basically anybody who isn't white).
We've had this debate on here before and many 'blacks' agreed it was the PC term but a lot of them disliked it and it was made up by the white man.
Perhaps it's been changed now.
 
bhavv said:
This is just so much bulloni coming from someone like you who is meant to be so intelligent, that I had to pick on it. I couldnt resist.

I have no issues with anyone that would react angrily after seeing such an attack, but you're the only person here claiming that people should somehow be stopping things like this from happening before it has even happened.

Unfortunately for us common folk, we dont have the gift of foresight like you do, oh magnificent one.
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I quite clearly explained my comment to Fenris and that it doesn't take prescience to stop someone from assaulting another in a lot of cases, simply by their demeanour, their language and the common actions such as gestures and low level assaults such as pushing would indicate to someone that an assault could be likely to take place.....and as I stated in that explanation, no-one made any moves to do anything, even during or after the assault and that is what I was commenting on.

Would I have attempted to stop, or failing that detain the offender if I had been on the tram..the answer is yes Bhavv and I make no apologies or justifications for that regardless of you personal opinion.

Here is the post if you are confused.

Castiel said:
Clearly it is obvious that if someone is getting aggressive, especially in a crowd of people that they could stop that aggression from escalating into overt violence, or at the very least stop the violence the minute it begins so that the innocent victim suffers a little physical violence as possible.

In this case interceding when the offender began to push his way past the victim.....that not one adult on that Tram did anything either before, during or after the assault and it took two children to report it and follow the offender is disgraceful.

You don't have to prescient to realise when someone is getting aggitated to the point of violence.
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It was this post that you quoted (I highlighted the important part that refers to my original statement) and began your little tirade, if you disagree with what I said then fine, but turning into an excuse to attack me personally is both disingenuous and against the forum rules.
 
ElliottJames said:
Again, why is black in the title.
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Because most of us arent colour blind and can clearly see a '96 year old WW2 veteran beat by a black man'.

Well, the WW2 veteran part is completely clear from the video alone, but that information is given in the article.

So why is the thread title a problem?
 
bhavv said:
Because most of us arent colour blind and can clearly see a '96 year old WW2 veteran beat by a black man'.

Well, the WW2 veteran part is completely clear from the video alone, but that information is given in the article.

So why is the thread title a problem?
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It's clear that dirtydog was putting a Daily Mail-esque spin on things but there's nothing wrong with the thread title really.
 
Not gonna answer my question from the last thread dirtydog?

FishFluff said:
A question for you dirtydog (which you'll most likely ignore anyway).

If an english male who can trace his British ancestory back 5 generations knocks up some filthy immigrant bird and then does the decent thing and marries her, is the resulting spawn of failed immigration policy British?
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Robbo said:
It's clear that dirtydog was putting a Daily Mail-esque spin on things but there's nothing wrong with the thread title really.
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TBH basically I was just copying the title of the YouTube video, except for altering a few words to make it fit and to be a bit more PC ironically enough (black rather than African, beat rather than 'brutally assault'). Didn't occur to me so many people would throw a wobbler about it :p
 
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