Who here owns a Renaultsport?

daelo said:
Anyone had similar experience and what did you do? Don't want to go through insurance as I can't afford to loose my 2years NCB :(
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Ahhh dammit. :(

I should think for the painting of those parts you could add on £500-600 easy. So that's £1200 for the parts and paint. Now comes the labour.

You should really work out how much putting it through insurance would set you back over the next few years. Losing 2 years NCB + 1 accident might only increase your premiums by a couple of hundred pounds a year and even less so in subsequent years?

EDIT: I just checked, for my car.


My premium with 2 years NCB and 0 accidents was £977.
My premium with 0 years NCB and a recent £1500 accident was £1432.
My premium with 1 years NCB and a £1500 accident a year previous was £1190
My premium with 2 years NCB and a £1500 accident a two years previous was £1090

So you've just got to work out what kind of difference it'll make to your premiums overall.
 
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why bother with all brand new parts if you already replaced the door with a 2nd hand one ?????

Fair enough if you can't source them 2nd hand though, but at leats you have the possibility of maybe *just maybe* finding a 2nd hand parts already sprayed in the colour you want.
 
DogsBody said:
Fair enough if you can't source them 2nd hand though, but at leats you have the possibility of maybe *just maybe* finding a 2nd hand parts already sprayed in the colour you want.
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This may save a lot of money - but for things like the bonnet and wings i doubt it'll ever look perfect. The headlight though, i'd definitely be getting second hand.

EDIT: I've just had a look at the pictures again, is the bonnet beyond being taken to a dent removal guy, and can the bumper not be reattached in any way (ie, have the clips actually snapped off, or have they just come undone?). Wing and headlight will obviously definitely need new parts though.
 
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howler said:
I think it is more the fact the NA engine has less power so there is not so much throttle modulation required

Being able to feed the throttle in properly takes some mastering
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It isn't the additional power at all, it is the way it is delivered - namely a solid wall of torque.

You can work with it, but at best it's not very fun wrestling with lack of traction.

Having owned four FWD turbo cars and now driving an NA FWD car, all at similar levels of power, I can say without an ounce of doubt that the NA is far more fun to drive when you're going all out.

This isn't just down to traction issues mind, throttle response also plays a big part in it.

The appeal of the Clio for me, the motoring press and the majority of people I'd imagine are the handling and the traits offered by a reasonably high revving NA engine.
 
But nothing you, the motoring press, or the majority of people do or say is going to stop Renault fitting a turbo lump into the next Clio, so... why worry?
 
That wasn't being discussed. You said that turbos aren't a problem and don't impact drivability, I just put my points forward for why I disagree :P
 
No, I said they aren't a problem because they don't have the massive drop in driveability that people think they do. Slight difference.

And the benefits in terms of tuning should offset that.
 
I know how to use the throttle just fine, thanks.

It's a moot point - just because it can be driven, doesn't mean it is fun or desirable to do so.

After all, it's the feel of a car that usually makes or breaks it.
 
That depends entirely on the car and the corner.

I'm generalising in my earlier statements, but the fact remains that you can usually get on the power earlier and power out of a corner in the NA Clio than I could with the ST.

Yes you can modulate the power until you're pointing straight, but it's just not the same.
 
MikeHiow said:
But the fact remains that you can usually get on the power earlier and power out of a corner in the NA Clio than I could with the ST..
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And nobody is disputing that. But with your previous statement...

MikeHiow said:
Sure you can attempt to modulate the power to maintain traction, but that's not what I call powering out of a corner.
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... you were suggesting that having to modulate power is somehow a 'massive drop' in driveability. I'm sure everyone with a moderately powerful RWD car will dispute that.

I'm with howler. Turbo cars require a different driving style than NA cars. If you can't manage it, or don't like it, thats your call, but it doesn't support the misconception that they are somehow massively inferior to NA cars.
 
With a RWD car you're going to have far less issues with breaking traction too.

The issue is a combination of FWD and Turbo - something that is really noticeable once you're over the novelty of all that torque.

Again though, it isn't just traction, it's throttle response, power delivery etc. too
 
See, now you are back tracking to try to cover off your previous statement.

You stated that turbos meant you had to modulate the throttle to keep traction, and that having to modulate the throttle constituted a massive drop in driveability compared to being able to just stamp on it in an NA.

With the suggestion that you perhaps just needed to adopt a different driving style you seem to have taken offence, and got very defensive.

If anything, mastering modulating the throttle to provide the maximum speed and balance of the car will provide a far more rewarding driving experience than just being able to floor it everywhere knowing that a lack of low down torque will mean you don't loose traction.

I mean, I don't see Evo magazine full of underpowered FWD cars as they provide a much more thrilling experience than any RWD car because having to modulate the throttle is 'just no fun'.

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Progressive accelerating is necessary in any fwd car, N/A or Turbo, if you push to hard, and too early in either, its going to understeer. I think the point mike was trying to make, is that a turbo might be a little less forgiving (and maybe slightly unpredictable) due to the non linear power delivery associated with turbo's. I know i certainly got that opinion after driving an astra VXR. I felt i couldn't get the power down as quick as i could in say a N/A engine car.

The focus ST was better, power was more linear. The VXR felt like someone slapping me in the face every time i feathered the throttle. As far as FWD hot hatches go, i prefer N/A. I could see myself getting bored very quickly of a turbo FWD car once you get over the sudden bursts of boost on the straights. You just can't drive a turbo FWD car round corners like you can a N/A one.
 
daelo said:
After hitting a deer I'm at a loss to what to do with this ******* car .... one thing after another, first breakdown, then crease door, now front end is ******



Parts from Renault Incl VAT

Nearside Headlight : £233.30
Nearside Wing : £71.63
New Bonnet : £180.56
Bumper : £213.13

I cant even stand to think how much it will cost for a respray of wing, bumper and bonnet :'( Plus the fact that the drivers door is a much darker blue due to picking one up from the breakers yard. Does anyone know if the bonnet is the same style as regular mk2 clios (could pick up a cheap one from breakers if so)

Also I seem to have a form of whiplash as its painful moving my head side to side!

Anyone had similar experience and what did you do? Don't want to go through insurance as I can't afford to loose my 2years NCB :(
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Ring fred@btm on 07769712624 he has just had a car come in that he is stripping with good headlights. Ring soon they will sell quickly!
 
Just had an email from Skodaparts confirming the delivery address for my splitter (I want it to come to work) so I guess it won't be on in time for this weekends meet.
 
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