Another tram experience... 96 year old WW2 veteran beat by a black man, gets no jail time

dirtydog said:
I comprehend that what you said was wrong, which you refuse to acknowledge.
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The CRE report points out that, because of their smaller numbers, members of minority ethnic groups are still far more likely to be victims of racial attacks than whites.
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You can't even provide a link to back up your point of view? :confused:

You're own link / source is self defeating.

Going to pick up on my spelling again? :o
 
dirtydog said:
Erm yeah I posted two links. Castiel after being proved wrong decided to move the goal posts.
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I made a statement regarding the greater propensity of racism to be aimed at ethnic-minorities....you gave some links that you stated proved that I was wrong....on further investigation it comes to light that those links and the sources that provided the information to them actually support my statement contrary to your misrepresentation of them and actually indicate that I was not wrong after all.

In your embarrassment at being yet again shown to be less than forthright in your agenda you are maintaining your entrenched, yet erroneous position even when it is clear that you are in fact wrong.....


dirtydog said:
I comprehend that what you said was wrong, which you refuse to acknowledge.
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Which simply illustrates your lack of comprehension, nothing more.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6128466.stm

According to the most recent Home Office analysis, the chances for a white person is less than 1%. For Black and Asian people it is put at about 1%.

Taking into account the subjective nature of the statistics, it seems that the risks are relatively low across all communities.

Nevertheless, for the tens of thousands of white people affected by race crime, the issue is a real one.

The far right has tried to exploit what it claims is the untold story of racial attacks on white people. On the National Front website they feature a long list of "The Fallen", white people they say were killed by non-whites.

Often, however, the crimes have nothing to do with race and in a number of cases, for instance Ross Parker, relatives of the victims have objected to their names being used.

Trying to unravel the motivation behind a crime is always difficult. Was a kick or a punch in a violent robbery any harder because of the victim's skin colour?

Describing an incident as racist may say as much about a victim's mindset as the offender. How else can one explain the British Crime Survey finding that 3,100 car thefts from Asians were deemed to be racially motivated?

Most of the offenders (57%) in the racially motivated crimes identified in the British Crime Survey are not white. White victims said 82% of offenders were not white.

Among black victims of race crime, a quarter of offenders were identified as not white. Among Asian victims, the non-white proportion rises to a third.

There has been an increase in recorded instances of race crime, but experts believe this is due to more people coming forward to report incidents and a greater willingness from the police to take accusations seriously.

The British Crime Survey tells a different story. The most recent figures suggest the incidence of race crime is falling - a drop of 13% year on year.

Amid this soup of subjective and contradictory statistics, what is clear is that race crime is no longer a black and white issue. It is as complex and multifaceted as the communities in which it occurs.

In the Lozells district of Birmingham last year, tensions defined around race exploded into violence. Asian gangs and black gangs clashed in what have been described as "race riots". But, in reality, the disturbances were about poverty, housing and fear.

Racism, prejudice and bigotry are not defined by the colour of someone's skin.
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Dirtydog comprehension failure or intentional misrepresentation of the facts?

You decide.
 
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But you didn't say that non whites were more likely to be a victim of race crime.

You said that most race crimes are against non whites. Not just most, but the 'vast majority' you said.

You are wrong about that, aren't you :) Most racial crimes are AGAINST WHITES.

Now acknowledge this, admit you were wrong, and we can move on.
 
dirtydog said:
But you didn't say that non whites were more likely to be a victim of race crime.

You said that most race crimes are against non whites. Not just most, but the 'vast majority' you said.

You are wrong about that, aren't you :) Most racial crimes are AGAINST WHITES.

Now acknowledge this, admit you were wrong, and we can move on.
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I actually said that the vast majority of racism and bigotry is aimed at minority groups, ethnic or otherwise.......

I made no mention of specific criminal intent or that it was limited to only issues regarding someone's Race....hence the term Bigotry....

I would also, If I were you read the actual reports that your information is based on, paying particular attention to the qualifying statements throughout refering to how the data and statistics are compiled and the what conclusions should be drawn from it.

Again Dirtydog, comprehension failure on your part.

I suggest you move on.
 
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Castiel said:
I actually said that the vast majority of racism and bigotry is aimed at minority groups, ethnic or otherwise.......

I made no mention of specific criminal intent or that it was limited to only issues regarding someone's Race....hence the term Bigotry....

Again Dirtydog, comprehension failure on your part.

I suggest you move on.
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Wow, being WRONG is something you just can't cope with, can you.

When proved wrong, you move the goalposts.

Okay mate whatever makes you happy :)
 
dirtydog said:
Wow, being WRONG is something you just can't cope with, can you.

When proved wrong, you move the goalposts.

Okay mate whatever makes you happy :)
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The goal post were not moved, as that was my original statement, it was not altered...you simply didn't read it.

Now while I can, and have been happy to concede a point if the information provided warrants it, unfortunately for your argument this is not one of those times.

I suggest you take your own advice and admit when you have dug yourself into a hole of your own devising.
 
I actually said that the vast majority of racism and bigotry is aimed at minority groups, ethnic or otherwise.......
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Okay, proof for this?

I have proven that most racial crimes are against whites.
 
dirtydog said:
Wow, being WRONG is something you just can't cope with, can you.

When proved wrong, you move the goalposts.

Okay mate whatever makes you happy :)
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He wasn't wrong though Dirty, the links you provided were just counter productive and if anything strengthen his point of view.
 
Tummy said:
He wasn't wrong though Dirty, the links you provided were just counter productive and if anything strengthen his point of view.
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The links prove that most racial crimes are against whites, and most racial crime perpetrators are non white.

What more do you want?
 
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dirtydog said:
The links prove that most racial crimes are against whites, and most racial crime perpetrators are non white.

What more do you want?
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I think proof would be a bit of a stretch given how the BCS is conducted, do you have other figures that can also confirm this and more recent?
 
Biohazard said:
I think proof would be a bit of a stretch given how the BCS is conducted, do you have other figures that can also confirm this and more recent?
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Does Castiel have any proof to the contrary? He makes assertions yet offers no proof. I offer respected sources as proof.
 
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