Another tram experience... 96 year old WW2 veteran beat by a black man, gets no jail time

Hitman_Leon · 10 Dec 2011 at 14:54

Am I missing something in the thread title?

I'm quite certain whatever colour your skin is it dose not predispose you to being a scum-bag.

Castiel · 10 Dec 2011 at 14:54

dirtydog said:
Okay.

So you concede that my statement was not proven wrong by anything that you posted?

Apology accepted.

As for supporting evidence, the conclusions stated by the report you cited for a start, but when I am not using a phone to post and have access to a PC and the time to do so, I will endeavour to provide it.....not that you are likely to accept it however as your cited report points out, much about the statistics is highly subjective and liable to misinterpretation, not forgeting the bias shown by different groups when attributing what they consider to be a racial motivation, as pointed out in the report when it speaks about Asains attributing cartheft to racial motivation, when clearly that is subjective.

dirtydog · 10 Dec 2011 at 14:59

Castiel said:
So you concede that my statement was not proven wrong by anything that you posted?

Apology accepted.

The statement you made was wrong unless you can prove otherwise.

As for supporting evidence, the conclusions stated by the report you cited for a start, but when I am not using a phone to post and have access to a PC and the time to do so, I will endeavour to provide it.....not that you are likely to accept it however as your cited report points out, much about the statistics is highly subjective and liable to misinterpretation.

In other words, I provided proof yet because it contradicts your unfounded assertions, you now attack the source and say that THEY are wrong too. Priceless

Hey, maybe they are racist right? After all anyone who contradicts the myth that Britain is a lovely multicultural paradise must be a racist.

Biohazard · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:04

dirtydog said:
Does Castiel have any proof to the contrary? He makes assertions yet offers no proof. I offer respected sources as proof.

There are still problems with the statistics you bring forward, namely they are not official statistics. There is no guarantee with the dataset namely because you are asking the "victim" and not the state if a crime has been commited, and that murders are also omitted and the data itself is half a decade out of date.

Do you have official crime statistics?

Castiel · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:05

dirtydog said:
The statement you made was wrong unless you can prove otherwise.

In other words, I provided proof yet because it contradicts your unfounded assertions, you now attack the source and say that THEY are wrong too. Priceless

Hey, maybe they are racist right? After all anyone who contradicts the myth that Britain is a lovely multicultural paradise must be a racist.

I never said the report was wrong.....you just made that up. In fact the report conclusively supports my statement to some degree as it clearly states in it's conclusions and as such your own evidence proves my statement.

And what I said was the conclusions made by the report are contrary to your interpretation of them and as such support my statement and are not proof that I am wrong.

Why is it that you have to invent, ignore and misrepresent your own sources and those that comment on them if the evidence you say is conclusive proof of your opinion is so strong.

Is this intentional or do you really not understand what the report states in plain English?

dirtydog · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:07

Let's make it simple.

Do you agree with the report that most racist incidents in the UK are against white people.

Yes or no.

Tummy · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:08

dirtydog said:
Let's make it simple.

Do you agree with the report that most racist incidents in the UK are against white people.

Yes or no.

I like how earlier you accused Castiel of moving the goal posts

dirtydog · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:09

Biohazard said:
There are still problems with the statistics you bring forward, namely they are not official statistics. There is no guarantee with the dataset namely because you are asking the "victim" and not the state if a crime has been commited, and that murders are also omitted and the data itself is half a decade out of date.

Do you have official crime statistics?

the number of white people who reported being wounded was five times the number of black and minority ethnic victims at 20,000.[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#Racist_crimes

Tummy · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:09

Wikipedia isn't a reliable source.

dirtydog · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:10

Tummy said:
I like how earlier you accused Castiel of moving the goal posts

Not at all. He said it is overwhelmingly against non whites. Yet offered no evidence.

I offer evidence, then he changes the question, discredits the source, anything other than admit being flat out wrong.

Biohazard · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:10

dirtydog said:
Let's make it simple.

Do you agree with the report that most racist incidents in the UK are against white people.

Yes or no.

Undecided.

Biohazard · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:11

dirtydog said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#Racist_crimes

You are now just re-presenting your evidence.

That wiki quote is cited from your other link

http://card.wordpress.com/2006/11/12/the-hidden-white-victims-of-racism/

Which again is related to the BCS.

Real statistics please?

dirtydog · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:11

Tummy said:
Wikipedia isn't a reliable source.

Haha this is getting more farcical by the minute. You don't like the facts so you discredit the source.

That wikipedia article uses respected sources for its claims.

Unlike castiel who just makes unfounded claims and calls people racist for disagreeing

the shadow · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:11

dirtydog What a sad life you have posting your posion on these Forums
Get out much

dirtydog · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:12

the shadow said:
dirtydog What a sad life you have posting your posion on these Forums
Get out much

I get out regularly, and I don't like what I see.

Sorry if you consider posting facts to be poison btw.

Tummy · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:14

dirtydog said:
Haha this is getting more farcical by the minute. You don't like the facts so you discredit the source.

That wikipedia article uses respected sources for its claims.

Unlike castiel who just makes unfounded claims and calls people racist for disagreeing

I'm not commenting on anything more then saying that Wikipedia isn't a reliable source. It isn't. Deal with it. Anyone can put anything on Wiki.

Yas786 · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:16

the shadow said:
dirtydog What a sad life you have posting your posion on these Forums
Get out much

Stop with the personal attacks, he hasnt attacked you...hes entitled to his disgusting racist/bigotted/xenophobic views as much as you, me and many others disagree with them.

Best way to beat a person like DD is just by ignoring them and laughing at their idiotic, backward views which serve no purpose in the grand scheme of things.

dirtydog · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:17

Tummy said:
I'm not commenting on anything more then saying that Wikipedia isn't a reliable source. It isn't. Deal with it. Anyone can put anything on Wiki.

OK THANKS

Kenai · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:18

Spawn said:
Stop with the personal attacks, he hasnt attacked you...hes entitled to his disgusting racist/bigotted/xenophobic views as much as you, me and many others disagree with them.

Best way to beat a person like DD is just by ignoring them and laughing at their idiotic, backward views which serve no purpose in the grand scheme of things.

'Stop with the personal attacks', followed by a bunch of thinly veiled personal attacks.

LOL

dirtydog · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:20