Console sales/discussion - Wii vs PS3/xbox
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yep you are correct on the ps3, it uses a Nvidia chip. my mistake.
No 'hardcore' gamer is going to go out and pick up a Wii U as their sole console, theyve been burnt by the Wii and the support its had for more traditional games and also quality third party titles...
So your idea of peer recommendation being a way for the Wii U to be successful in the 'hardcore' games market seems quite far fetched. As great as Nintendo are at exploiting gimmicks, these arent the tools that entice 'hardcore' gamers, things like decent launch titles and third party support are and looking at whats happened to Nintendo with the Wii and 3DS launch doesnt inspire any real attraction from that sub-section of gamers IMHO.
I just cant see the Wii U performing the same as the Wii when it comes to sales, combine that with poor attachment rates leads me to think that the casual gamer market is a very fickle one. If people buy a Wii U its hard not to see it back in a cupboard/box before the next gen Sony/MS consoles have come out. Nintendo has made its bed, now its time for them to realise to lie in it to ensure the company doesnt go the same way Sega did.
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I said the PS1 was the first SUCCESSFUL console that could do that. Thanks for the post though mate, it appears I was wrong on many other points. Apologies
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No 'hardcore' gamer is going to go out and pick up a Wii U as their sole console, theyve been burnt by the Wii and the support its had for more traditional games and also quality third party titles...
So your idea of peer recommendation being a way for the Wii U to be successful in the 'hardcore' games market seems quite far fetched. As great as Nintendo are at exploiting gimmicks, these arent the tools that entice 'hardcore' gamers, things like decent launch titles and third party support are and looking at whats happened to Nintendo with the Wii and 3DS launch doesnt inspire any real attraction from that sub-section of gamers IMHO.
I just cant see the Wii U performing the same as the Wii when it comes to sales, combine that with poor attachment rates leads me to think that the casual gamer market is a very fickle one. If people buy a Wii U its hard not to see it back in a cupboard/box before the next gen Sony/MS consoles have come out. Nintendo has made its bed, now its time for them to realise to lie in it to ensure the company doesnt go the same way Sega did.
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I agree. But I can envisage a possible scenario in which we are wrong. I don't think that's likely, but I was acknowledging that it was possible
. The fact that Nintendo realise they lost the hardcore gamers with the Wii, and that they are trying to rectify this somewhat, can only be good news for them and us. If they really want us back, they'll put the effort in and if they get it right, who knows it could be a comeback into the "proper" gaming scene for them. Doubtful, but possible. The main obstacle in my eyes is that the most played and well known franchises that serious gamers enjoy such as Call of Duty, GTA, Uncharted, Halo, Gears, Tomb Raider etc are either exclusive to the other consoles, or are heavily associated with them, far more so than they are with the Wii. All the Wii has is Mario, which is mainly for kids/casuals (may get some negative feedback to that sentence but meh).Not true at all. The N64 was much more powerfuly than the competitors. In the PS"/Gamcube/xbox era the Gamecube was highy comparable to the x-box.
The Wii is the only console Nintendo decided not to push the hardware specs with, which was a very sucessfull move.
360 is dominant in the US despite not having a price cut in 3 years and Sony had one a couple of months ago:
And I believe it's pretty similar in the UK but in Southern Europe the PS3 is dominant.
In Japan MS doesn't even register...
And I believe it's pretty similar in the UK but in Southern Europe the PS3 is dominant.
In Japan MS doesn't even register...
I'll just dump a very short list here:
-Sega-CD existed before the Nintendo started development of the PS1 with Sony.
-Dual analogue existed before Sony stuck them awkwardly on the bottom of their pads.
-Nintendo had a rumble pack 6 months before Sony.
-You can thank Nintendo for functional dpads, shoulder buttons, ergonomic pads. The SNES pad is at the core of EVERY popular game pad.
-Nintendo were working side-by-side with Sony in the development of the first well designed CD-based console, but then dropped a bollock by abandoning the project allowing Sony to follow through with a great console.
-The SNES (in Japan where the infrastructure existed at the time) had pretty in depth online play.
-The Wii revolutionised mainstream gaming to the extent that MS and Sony had to create similar products.
-GameCube/GBA connectivity expanded on the VMU ideas from the DreamCast and a lot of the ideas are being implemented with the PS3/Vita and the Wii-U/3DS/Touch Pad Controller.
-Nintendo has brought glasses free 3D gaming to the masses with the 3DS.
-3DS features such as street pass and spotpass are due to be copied by Sony with the Vita.
-N64 analogue stick made Sony and Sega wake up to the idea and retro-fit their pads.
-Nintendo ARE portable gaming. This is a massive point.
-GameCube had proper wireless pads with the Wavebird, none of this crappy infra red crap.
-Avatars
Nintendo have done so much in this industry and continue to be copied every step of the way, easily more than Sony/MS/Sega (who have all come up with great new ideas such as DVD/Blu-ray integration and media functionality, integrated hard drives and a unified online system etc.).
Nintendo are one of the great innovators of this industry and I can't fathom how a gaming fan cannot see that.
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More powerful in which aspects though? It might have had more horsepower but the decision to use cartridges meant they were extremely limited on space for audio, FMV and textures.
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Thanks, you're right. Someone else already pointed out the errors in my earlier post and I apologise for them. I am only 20 so wasn't around for the pre-PS1 era. I should have done some research before posting though. You're also right about Nintendo dominating portable gaming, which I hadn;t considered.
That said, avatars? Seriously? I'd hardly class them as a great innovation. No one gives a **** about their avatar.
I actually have more games on the Wii than on the 360 or PS3. I don't play it that often - mainly due to the lack of decent online games - but my top ten of this gen would have at least 4 Wii titles in it.
I'll certainly be getting the Wii U - it'll be worth the asking price just for Zelda/Metroid/Mario/Mario Kart/F-Zero/Star Fox in HD!
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No worries, it's a little strange that you make such strong (read: opinionated) posts when you are a little naive about the subject.
I hate avatars, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that they're pretty popular outside of the very niche "hardcore" gamers you find on forums like this.
Bit premature don't you think? the PS3 will still be selling strong long after Wii and Xbox 360 have been killed off.
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Why do the console crowd forget to add the cost off a hd tv? All i hear is the cost of x pc component is more that a console but when the current gen came out not everyone had a hd tv and those that did were the non full hd sets. Pc gamers are a elitists? yes because we can
Serious gamer?
Clearly you have never met a PC gamer like me who laughs when you call console gamers serious gamers.
I have a 360 right next to me on the floor collecting dust, after a while I realised xbox live is such a rip off and went to pc gaming. Now I don't really game as I am a bit busy for it.
I haven't read past this post but have to comment.
Please please please elaborate, how are console gamers not 'serious gamers'? Because we don't change our own hardware?
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Yeah lol, my bad. I read a few articles/blogs on the subject and based my knowledge on them, evidently they were rather biased. I'm honestly not a complete idiot though I know I can seem like one in this and other threads
I'm yet to meet anyone who thinks avatars are anything other than pointless, gimmicky and 'gay', even casual gamers.
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I agree. I didn't notice his comment until you just quoted it. Most PC gamers I know also have at least one console, and play it regularly too. Gamers should show cross-platform solidarity sometimes.
Man, that was a gayass sentence.
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I disagree. I'd say a serious gamer is someone who's gaming is a large/significant part of their life. If they game with friends, talk about games with friends, and spend lots of time and money on games, then they are a serioues gamer. These can all apply to anyone on any console or platform.
To me there are 3 types of gamer, casual, serious, and pro/whatever you want to call it.