'Big Man' tackles fare dodging teenager on train

[.Lethal]

Oh my god I can't believe people are still trying to defend this boy.

I'm suprised Robbo is still replying to the same crap by now.

 

[Al Vallario]

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[Biohazard]

According to Mr Main, the idea of two single tickets was presented to him by a member of staff when he purchased his ticket(s) at Polmont Station at 8am that day. He reasoned that, because he was travelling before 10am, he could not use his 16-25 railcard to purchase a discounted return, and was advised to purchase two single tickets instead.

Do you have source for this advising?

Why would a staff member who proposed such an idea then go on to make it so wrong?

Why would you not check your own tickets when they touch your hand anyway?

The video doesn't show us the sequence of events that occurs before he resorts to swearing to emphasise his statements.

Perhaps he should have just paid.

Respect for your elders? What you seem to be arguing is that Mr Main was obliged to give the train conductor an extraordinary level of respect based solely on his age? Age shouldn't enter into it.

Just normal respect for another person will do.

Where in the video does he express an unwillingness to pay?

Where he refuses to buy a ticket and the whole argument I can safely presume, it doesn't take long to figure these things out.

I'd return your dictionary and ask for a refund if I were you.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/abuse?q=abuse+

abuse






verb

Pronunciation: /əˈbjuːz/
[with object]
1use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse: the judge abused his power by imposing the fines


make excessive and habitual use of (alcohol or drugs, especially illegal ones): at various times in her life she abused both alcohol and drugs


2treat with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly: riders who abuse their horses should be prosecuted


assault (someone, especially a woman or child) sexually: he was a depraved man who had abused his two young daughters (as adjective abused) abused children


(abuse oneself) euphemistic masturbate.


use or treat in such a way as to cause damage or harm: he had been abusing his body for years


3speak to (someone) in an insulting and offensive way: the referee was abused by players from both teams

"3speak to (someone) in an insulting and offensive way: the referee was abused by players from both teams"

Or the train conductor was abused by a drunken yob.

 

[Biohazard]

So you agree with my statement, as I entered this thread, that the 'big man' should be prosecuted for assault? Excellent!

Second straw man in lieu of a valid argument.

Footage of one of their customers being assaulted by a member of the public as a member of their staff stands idly by, giving his blessing to the intervention before it takes place, has been viewed by millions of people.

So you say.

I feel ashamed to be a member of any society that doesn't view that as sufficient grounds to place the company in disrepute.

Oh noes, civilization is falling down again because a thieving yob got chucked off a train in Scotland.

 

[Al Vallario]

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[LeJosh]

Was he assaulted? Yes, he was. Was the 'big man' extremely foolish (i.e. a lunatic) to assault him? Yes, he was.

Look up the definition of hyperbole

That's subjective.

Also, you're wrong.

 

[TaKeN]

Show me proof that he bought the two Tickets Al Vallario.

 

[Al Vallario]

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[Biohazard]

— http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2073929/

You said:

"According to Mr Main, the idea of two single tickets was presented to him by a member of staff when he purchased his ticket(s) at Polmont Station at 8am that day."

Which isn't in that article.

Do you have source for the origins of the plan coming from Scotrail staff?

Again, where are you going with this? People who disrespect others can be justifiably assaulted?

No you are conflating matters to construct a straw man, disrespect was clearly linked to his abuse. This abuse led to an unresolved problem that resulted in his removal from the train. That would all have been perfectly fine had the conductor not passed authority to a passanger, that is the only plausable contention here.

Who cares if he was disrespectful? It's not a crime to be disrespectful. By all accounts, the conductor was being just as disrespectful to him as he was to the conductor.

A lot of people I would guess, there is no reason to be abusive and disrespectful to other people.

The conductor would have been lawfully allowed to remove him from the train, I propose it was the behavour of the yob that frigthened the old man. Hence why the 'good samaritan' stepped in.

I'll ask again. Where in the video does he express an unwillingness to pay?

Argumentum ad nauseam.

How his speech in the video can be construed as "insulting and offensive" is truly beyond me. He used the f-word to express dissatisfaction, and to emphasise otherwise entirely reasonable and inoffensive statements. At no point does he appear in any way intent on insulting or offending anyone concerned.

Ok. You keep going.

 

[Kenai]

How his speech in the video can be construed as "insulting and offensive" is truly beyond me.

Are you sure you're watching the same video as everybody else is?

 

[Scougar]

Techinically the guy was assaulted.

Sensible head says, the guy was being a jerk and got what he deserved.

 

[Al Vallario]

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[platinum87]

Edinburgh Park does not have ticket barriers.



They would, but they don't exist.



They would need to be fitted before they were able to be in operation.



It would be unreasonable to assume a station with no barriers had barriers which would swallow a ticket.



It would, were it not a fabrication created to give credence to your arguement.

Best post since that guy who said to get a certain relative humidity you sit a certain point between a humidifier and a dehumidifier

 

[Biohazard]

Did you even bother to read the quote I provided? To clarify a minor point, it was Mr Main's uncle who stated the idea was presented to him by staff at Polmont Station, but that shouldn't bear on the statement. It would have been Mr Main himself who told his uncle as much, assuming his uncle was not present at the time.

I read what he said and it did not say what you said.

His uncle made the excuse then? Right, well I still find it very unlikely for the plethora of reasons already explained.

I'm not party to the employers of the ticket folk at Polmont Station.

You seem to be party to everything else though?

I don't believe your belated change of opinion has any credability whatsoever

Disrespect does not constitute abuse. Disrespect is not, in itself, "insulting and offensive".

I said linked had you not noticed.

It clearly led to his shouting swearing and what I thought sounded like an impact from hitting something.

Do train conductors really have the legal authority to forcibly remove people from trains? Genuinely interested on that point.

Yes. I thought you didn't need any clarification on law?

Not quite. Asking you to provide supporting evidence for a claim you keep making. You keep failing to provide supporting evidence. I would suggest this is because there is, in fact, no supporting evidence. That's just a hunch, though...

Jibberish trolling.

 

[Al Vallario]

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[Biohazard]

Techinically the guy was assaulted.

Yes.

Sensible head says, the guy was being a jerk and got what he deserved.

Yes.

 

[Biohazard]

Absolutely. I must have watched it a dozen times now.

How anyone can interpret his use of swearing, largely limited to statements such as "I've showed you my ****ing ticket" and "Aye, I ****ing have [paid]!" as "insulting and offensive" is beyond me

Because it's an abusive response to a valid and lawful enquiry.

Simples.

 

[[TW]Fox]

You keep failing to provide supporting evidence. I would suggest this is because there is, in fact, no supporting evidence

I can't beleive anyone would dare argue a point in this thread without having any supporting evidence

 

[mrk]

Such a simple story has spawned into such a massive faff and chinese whispers.

Only in GD.

 

[Al Vallario]

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