Is evolution a religion?
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I'm not an expert, but I prefer evolution as a theory to our presence than the religious (control the masses) theories which I have always found absurd.
Edit: I used to work with a couple of Somalis and I always found it curious that they believed vehemently in the Adam and Eve story.
Edit: I used to work with a couple of Somalis and I always found it curious that they believed vehemently in the Adam and Eve story.
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I don't think so, it's scienctific, and the only "scientific" religion is Scientology and we all know how messed up that it.
When filling in a form, the part where is says religion, have you ever written "Evolutionist" or would you be compelled to write "Jedi"
When filling in a form, the part where is says religion, have you ever written "Evolutionist" or would you be compelled to write "Jedi"
As do I.
A Scientific fact is when you can make a verifiable and objective observation that is repeatable by experimentation and is independent of the observer.
However Scientific fact is also liable to change and as such is not to be considered the same as absolute Truth (as some in this thread seem to think) and is to be considered an established fact...normally by experiment, observation, peer review and most importantly concensus.
Science by it's definition cannot give an objective absolute truth or certainty as the vernacular of fact would imply and is essentially the best guess although that best guess has a truth value applied to it by the experimentation, accreditation, peer review and consensus which implies a level of factual accuracy.
Evolution is a theory whereby various independent scientific facts are associated together to give a scientific theory, as oppposed to the vernacular theory which is more akin to a scientific hypothesis, to give a wider understanding of the relationship within nature of these scientific facts....hence Evolution is both a scientific theory and scientific fact.
In my humble opinion of course......
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Is your belief a fact? The theory of evolution is not completely understood like any Scienfific the. However most parts are as close to a fact as something can get and should be taught in schools like any other theory. I personally think that religious schools should be banned, I attended one so I can explain why. Religious schools spend a lot of their day, wasted on indoctrinating the students, with prayer services and religious speeches. In my school which was Catholic, only 8% of the students were registered as religious. A large percentage of students were subject to indoctrination for no reason.
My son's Cathomic school isn't like that at all...they have R.E and Assembly twice a week and the rest of the time is spent learning the National Curriculum...he has far more Math instruction for example than religous instruction....also indoctrination in school is pretty useless unless strictly enforced in home and by exterior sources such as the media as your obvious secular views attest...
The issue is that Faith Schools for whatever reason out perform secular schools consistently, even in schools that do not follow a particular selection process such my Sons school, so until a viable alternative is available, there is a need for Faith Schools.
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Atheism is worse in terms of controlling the masses, without a 'higher power' to look up to then governments become god effectively.
I think mainstream religion has past its sell by date which is why there is the push for atheism, now that we have laws that everybody automatically adheres to there is no longer need for the 10 commandments and threats about going to hell to keep people in check.
For me evolution doesn't rule out creationism (ie. intelligent design), I don't really know what to believe without first hand knowledge so I just sit on the fence while the atheists and religious people waste their short lives arguing.
"I don't like the way you think, so it should be banned" hard to tell if that's the Religious, or the anti-religious.
Hypocrisy 101, by RomanNose?
Evolution happens, how it happens is a theory with so much evidence that it's by far and away the best, most logical option.
Ahahahaha, that's rich. Evolution doesn't bring any meaning to anything, quite the opposite.
His point being that not so long ago there were no dogs. By changing the criteria in which wolves were able to breed (normally controlled by their environment) they have evolved into many different forms in a short time.
What is the cause of them outperforming secular schools? The reason needs to be found first, I would imagine it's something quite subtle. I am talking about independent schools though, the state school system is nothing compared to the private sector. For me, I was subject to prayers everday, Mass every week & the same amount of R.E lessons as Math lessons.
It's very annoying for any secular person who is in a religious school without any choice over what they are taught, my parents were both secular and I would have probably gone to a secular independent school if I had the choice. But they hardly exist and therefore many children are subject to indoctrination on a daily basis just so that they can get a better education. Independent schools are practically controlled by religion, I feel that this attack by the church on many children across the country should be stopped. Your son is quite lucky and I wish my old school acted in the same manner.
Nothing to do with that, I like many other school kids were faced with a constant attack by Religious adults trying to force their beliefs onto us. Mass was compulsory for everyone, it was not possible to opt out, Also my R.E lessons were not " this is what Christians believe", they were "this is the truth". I feel sorry for anyone who has to go through this.
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Scientology has nothing to do with science, an easy mistake for many people to make.
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Castiel, with regards to faith schools, I think there's a difference between a catholic school and a school that is for catholics, if you catch my drift. I may be wrong, but I think he's referring to schools where they teach creationism as science etc, not just a school that you need to be a catholic/on a scholarship to attend.
And to that idiot who doesn't think evolution is an accurate theory, science is the quest for knowledge, and scientists are actually happy to be proven wrong when a theory that explains something in a better man is developed. Science is essentially a quest for the truth of how things happen. We don't want half truths or things that are incorrect. Unfortunately it's very difficult to be absolutely correct with anything, but science aims to get as close as possible.
And to that idiot who doesn't think evolution is an accurate theory, science is the quest for knowledge, and scientists are actually happy to be proven wrong when a theory that explains something in a better man is developed. Science is essentially a quest for the truth of how things happen. We don't want half truths or things that are incorrect. Unfortunately it's very difficult to be absolutely correct with anything, but science aims to get as close as possible.
They did not teach Creationism, but they certainly forced their beliefs on us and there was no room to opt out. There were many odd things as well, for example on mufday days, teachers tried to stop the female students wearing mini skirts or make up. I am thankful to say that all my science teachers did not ever put religion in the class room though.
Creationist schools are pretty much are the worst and they could start popping up even more. It might be quite interesting if there are free creationist schools that pop up that are funded by Churches. These types of schools, like the ones that I attended along with Creationist schools & Islamic schools should certainly be addressed.
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As Catholicism has no issue with Evolution you would be hard pressed to find a Catholic School in the UK teaching Creationism as Science.
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I guess the fact is that those kinds of faith schools are at least partially where people go to learn about their beliefs which is the difference. I'm glad science teachers are that sensible though!
The school my daughter goes to has a "no-makeup" policy and a strict uniform policy. Part of instilling the necessary discipline to run a successful school.
Certainly, but this was a mufday day where the whole idea is that you wear any clothes you want. Which is not really what happened as some teachers made their own rules. In the rule book it did not have any mention of what is appropriate and not appropriate mufday clothes yet some teachers thought otherwise.
I would think that your sons school is as the person you replied to described, otherwise what makes it any different to a comprehensive school? My school taught RE and had religious assembies for every religion, according to you that is all that defines a faitth school?
There is some method of indoctrination involved in all faith schools, whether it is subte or blatantly obvious.
As for school performance, if you are so bothered about that why not send your kids to a grammar school?
Most comprehensive schools will perform worse on average as they have to take in kids off all abilities, and the stupid kids would weigh down the schools average results, which was the case with the school I went to.
In my school, which used to be a Grammar School changed by the government into a comprehensive, they had a tiered set sytem split into three bands - top middle and bottom. The school maintained, and made the public aware that they maintained their same grammar school level of teaching for the top band only. Middle and bottom bands which then made up over 60% of the pupils were both GCSE foundation level, while only the top band was GCSE higher level.
Students could only make it into the top band if they did well in their test results and contributed well in their classes, as I did (I started out in the middle band which came as a shock to all the other kids who knew me from my previous school, and as a result I was top of the class in all of the sciences, maths, and geography. Less than 6 months later I was in the top set for Science and second set for everything else). If other students refuse to learn and perform poorly, then they remained in the middle / bottom bands and no level of parental pleading would get a dumb kid into the top band.
You cant blame a comprehensive schools performance when the fact is that the majority of kids in them are too stupid to even understand and learn foundation level GCSE.
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