Is evolution a religion?

dirtychinchilla said:
Castiel, with regards to faith schools, I think there's a difference between a catholic school and a school that is for catholics, if you catch my drift. I may be wrong, but I think he's referring to schools where they teach creationism as science etc, not just a school that you need to be a catholic/on a scholarship to attend.

And to that idiot who doesn't think evolution is an accurate theory, science is the quest for knowledge, and scientists are actually happy to be proven wrong when a theory that explains something in a better man is developed. Science is essentially a quest for the truth of how things happen. We don't want half truths or things that are incorrect. Unfortunately it's very difficult to be absolutely correct with anything, but science aims to get as close as possible.
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Catholic Schools are Catholic Schools, they are supported either in part or wholey by the Catholic Diocese in which they fall....

Catholic Schools do not teach Creationism, the Catholic Church doesn't support Creationism and fully supports that Evolution is a valid and supported scientific theory that is and should be taught to those within the Catholic Faith. This has been stated by successive Catholic Popes, including Benedict XVI.
 
Castiel said:
Catholic Schools are Catholic Schools, they are supported either in part or wholey by the Catholic Diocese in which they fall....

Catholic Schools do not teach Creationism, the Catholic Church doesn't support Creationism and fully supports that Evolution is a valid and supported scientific theory that is and should be taught to those within the Catholic Faith. This has been stated by successive Catholic Popes, including Benedict XVI.
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Catholic schools are catholic shools. They indoctrinate their pupils with catholic beliefs otherwise they wouldt be catholic schools.

There is genuinely no need for catholic, or any other faith based schools to exist, simply being, or not being a faith school has zero impact on student performance.
 
bhavv said:
I would think that your sons school is as the person you replied to described, otherwise what makes it any different to a comprehensive school?.
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I know far better than you which school my son goes to and it's curriculum as well as who funds it.

A comprehensive school can be a faith school...the two are not mutually exclusive. Also the tripartite system is not universal, so many areas have no Grammar schools at all and those that do the schools are generally 'super-selective' in other words they only select from the top 10% as defined by the 11-plus and only then within a selected catchment area.
 
Actually, regarding faith based schools and evolution - evolution isnt even part of the Biology cirriculum until A levels. Even if it is touched upon at GCSE these days, its not even going to cover 1% of the topic.

GCSE - 0-1% of evolution taught.
A Level - approx 20% of evolution taught
Degree - evolution only taught on an optional non compulsary elective module.
 
bhavv said:
Actually, regarding faith based schools and evolution - evolution isnt even part of the Biology cirriculum until A levels. Even if it is touched upon at GCSE these days, its not even going to cover 1% of the topic.

GCSE - 0-1% of evolution taught.
A Level - approx 20% of evolution taught
Degree - evolution only taught on an optional non compulsary elective module.
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What's your point? Maths GCSE teaches the square root of bugger all compared to doctorate level maths. What does that prove?
 
bhavv said:
Catholic schools are catholic shools. They indoctrinate their pupils with catholic beliefs otherwise they wouldt be catholic schools.

There is genuinely no need for catholic, or any other faith based schools to exist, simply being, or not being a faith school has zero impact on student performance.
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That has nothing to do with it...it is about choice...If a parent wishes to send their child to a school they feel supports their beliefs and ethos then they should have the right to do so, if they want to send their children to a secular school then they can do that if they so wish....

As it stands, any child attending a faith school can be on request excused from RE and relogious assemblies as as such the choice remains, even in areas were secular schools are either very poorly performing or unavailable.

Only one school out of 7 in the region in which I live is a non-faith school, and that also happens to be the worst performing school...none of the faith schools are selective and they are all comprehensive in nature. We also have two Grammar schools (a boys and a girls) which are massively over subscribed and as they take only the top 10% of students (in fact is wa only 6% this year) are notoriously impossible to get into....which as they are the two top grammar schools in the country is unsurprising.

I would welcome a return to two tier merit based selective schooling, however I am quite sure that those that oppose faith schools would more than likely oppose the percieved unfairness of that also....

If you do not want to send your child to a faith school....dont. It is as simple as that.
 
Castiel said:
Catholic Schools are Catholic Schools, they are supported either in part or wholey by the Catholic Diocese in which they fall....

Catholic Schools do not teach Creationism, the Catholic Church doesn't support Creationism and fully supports that Evolution is a valid and supported scientific theory that is and should be taught to those within the Catholic Faith. This has been stated by successive Catholic Popes, including Benedict XVI.
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Castiel, I don't think I've explained myself clearly enough. There's a huge difference between, for example, a catholic comprehensive school, and the sort of faith school to which I'm referring. I'm referring to schools like Jewish or Islamic schools where they ONLY accept people of that religion and where science is what is written in their holy books.

I don't think we're disagreeing here dude. I think we may have our wires crossed though as I'm struggling to describe exactly what it is that I'm saying. There was a youtube video about faith schools and creationism posted here somewhere about a month ago which is the perfect example of what I mean...I can't find it though unfortunately.
 
bhavv said:
Actually, regarding faith based schools and evolution - evolution isnt even part of the Biology cirriculum until A levels. Even if it is touched upon at GCSE these days, its not even going to cover 1% of the topic.

GCSE - 0-1% of evolution taught.
A Level - approx 20% of evolution taught
Degree - evolution only taught on an optional non compulsary elective module.
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Errr, what university does that??

Furthermore, 20% of evolution learned at A level?!?
 
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RomanNose said:
Certainly, but this was a mufday day where the whole idea is that you wear any clothes you want. Which is not really what happened as some teachers made their own rules. In the rule book it did not have any mention of what is appropriate and not appropriate mufday clothes yet some teachers thought otherwise.
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Again I am struggling to see the problem here.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Castiel, I don't think I've explained myself clearly enough. There's a huge difference between, for example, a catholic comprehensive school, and the sort of faith school to which I'm referring. I'm referring to schools like Jewish or Islamic schools where they ONLY accept people of that religion and where science is what is written in their holy books.
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Independent Faith Schools which are Catholic also do not teach Creationism....only a very tiny minority of Evengelical Independent Schools have attempted this and they are soon closed....the Islamic Schools, again a minority of those, have serious issues with teaching selectively, especially when it comes to interpretations of their own religion.....

Jewish Schools, again do not teach Creationism.
 
RDM said:
Again I am struggling to see the problem here.
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Not really a problem, just inconsistency which is annoying. It's just odd as I always thought that mufday days are supposed to be the only days of the year where kids can wear whatever they want. Anyway, there are many Islamic and Christian independent schools that are terrible and indoctrinate their students. At the moment there is not much stopping students being taught Creationism at some Independent schools, in these cases it would probably be better for the kids to not even go to school as they are being taught complete lies.
 
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RDM said:
The school my daughter goes to has a "no-makeup" policy and a strict uniform policy. Part of instilling the necessary discipline to run a successful school.
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Lol. My school was the best state school in scotland (by SG, higher and adv higher results, over varying years) and our uniform policy was a joke. You could wear basically what you wanted as long as the top was white and the trousers were black. You can't just state things are necessary when they are blatantly not. Many of the best schools in the country have no uniform code whatsoever (Bedales for example).

Apologies for off-topic post.
 
Castiel said:
Independent Faith Schools which are Catholic also do not teach Creationism....only a very tiny minority of Evengelical Independent Schools have attempted this and they are soon closed....the Islamic Schools, again a minority of those, have serious issues with teaching selectively, especially when it comes to interpretations of their own religion.....

Jewish Schools, again do not teach Creationism.
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I give up man.

Out of interest, how did you get your child into a faith school?
 
dirtychinchilla said:
I give up man.

Out of interest, how did you get your child into a faith school?
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I don't know why you are giving up, the simple fact is that Catholic Schools, regardless of whether they are independent or not, do not teach creationism...as the Catholic Church doesn't teach Creationism either and it is contrary to the Catechism of the Catholic Church....

As for my son, as I said, the school doesn't select it's entire intake by religion....it give priority to Catholics for about half the intake....besides it was the School my wife attended and as she was probably the best student they have had, it was almost certain they would have taken our son on the strength of that alone.

There is also two CofE aided schools on the same site, one Boys and one Girls which are substanially bigger and thus they take the majority of children in the catchment, the girls school is a very good school, the boys school is improving, but not as good as the other two.
 
Nitefly said:
Errr, what university does that??

Furthermore, 20% of evolution learned at A level?!?
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Go study a biology degree yourself and find out. Any straight 'biology degree' would include a module for evolution today, if it doesnt then its a bad biology degree. They also do not force evolution as a compulsory module.
 
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