'Big Man' tackles fare dodging teenager on train

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Castiel said:
No, I did not endorse any course of action...a member of the public is not under the authority of the conductor or the company, it's duty of care ends with the passenger making a decision for themselves.

The conductor can accept offered help in a situation, this doesn't mean that the company endorses any action that results from that offer.

It happens more often that you might think and the company is simply not liable for the actions of the public.
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Fair enough, question answered.
 
Al Vallario said:
Really? In your professional capacity, with a duty of care to your passengers, you would endorse one passenger forcibly removing another from your vehicle, and expect to keep your job when a video of the incident goes viral on the Internet? :confused:
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Well, if he didn't have a ticket, he wouldn't be one of his passengers and if he was being an ass, the paying customers would be in better care with him off the bus.
 
Actually I'm gobsmacked I didn't notice this earlier since I try to catch liars out every day.
I'm drawn to this sentence said by his Uncle - 'He noticed that both tickets were for Polmont to Edinburgh Park once he jumped on the train'.
I'm making a presumption that the conductor/inspector would have looked at his ticket on the out journey (well they have done on every train ride I've been on)?
What would anybody with a brain cell do in that situation?
In fact you don't need to answer.
 
Al Vallario said:
I frequently use the railway network and rarely have my tickets inspected.
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But anybody with a brain cell would get it sorted as soon as possible and he knew immediately.

"Yeah I know when I opened the envelope from Ticketmaster it said Take That but I thought I would explain at the entrance when I got to the Metallica gig"
 
George Hincapie said:
I'm hardly going to post that I want this thread closed in another thread am I? :rolleyes:

The Dons frequently close threads that have ran their course. This thread has ran it's course. The same people are repeating themselves ad nauseum.
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It's fantastic fun though. Especially when people change their opinions as often as the wind changes direction in a vain attempt to save some face.

I say keep it open until we get some closure! ;) :D
 
Al Vallario said:
If I understand correctly, he claimed he noticed the alleged mistake on his outward journey.
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If this is true (And given its you who is posting it, who knows whether it really is, you pretended the station had barriers after all), then he knowingly boarded a train without a valid ticket.
 
George Hincapie said:
I'm hardly going to post that I want this thread closed in another thread am I? :rolleyes:

The Dons frequently close threads that have ran their course. This thread has ran it's course. The same people are repeating themselves ad nauseum.
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How about not doing anything, or if you really are that sad and want it closed, report it to a mod.

I'm finding it pretty funny seeing that Al bloke getting shot down. Do people really speak like him in the real world? Only person I've seen speak like that is the guy who built the Matrix.
 
Al Vallario said:
He was thrown. I shan't link to the video because of the language therein, but it is called 'Scotrail no ticket'. At 1:56 you see him thrown to the ground face-first as he attempted to re-board the train to retrieve his possessions. A woman can be overheard exclaiming "There's no need for that!" as this takes place.
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Actually, you don't. At 1:55 in the video, you see almost nothing except he was pushed and Main tries grabbing the big man, which results in a hip-toss.

Al Vallario said:
Age is entirely relevant. Do you think the level of force considered reasonable to remove a 19-year-old kid is the same as that reasonable to remove an 80-year-old pensioner?
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Your point was essentially "but he's just a kid etc", which really holds no water. The level of force is scalable. Obviously, you wouldn't need to expend as much energy removing an OAP, than a younger man. Reasonable force is reasonable no matter the age.

As previously stated, he does not pick him up, punch or kick him.. he manhandles him off the train and stops him from re-boarding.

Al Vallario said:
Yes he did. Here is an image of his facial injuries, which may in fact have been taken some time after the incident:

http://i.imgur.com/q40Ut.jpg[img][/QUOTE]

:rolleyes: If he was thrown and [I]landed [/I] on his face, as you claim, then he would have significantly worse injuries than a scrape. There is no bruising in the photo either, which indicates to me he sustained it by falling or friction against the floor.

[quote="Al Vallario, post: 20820271"]The point is that, with the level of force used, and the manner in which it was applied, he could easily have had his neck broken. That is patently unreasonable.[/QUOTE]

You really are over-exaggerating the incident now. You could break your neck falling off a pavement.

[quote="Al Vallario, post: 20820271"]Train conductors are granted the legal authority to use reasonable force to remove passengers from trains, and you will [i]never[/i] find a conductor removing someone from a train in the manner and with such force as 'big man' did in this instance, precisely because it was totally unreasonable.[/QUOTE]

In the claims culture of late, you'd probably find most companies would opt to "phone it in" or be faced with some BS claim of assault either way. This incident involves one member of public, forcing another member of the public off a train because he was fare-dodging, so that's moot.
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George Hincapie said:
I'm hardly going to post that I want this thread closed in another thread am I? :rolleyes:

The Dons frequently close threads that have ran their course. This thread has ran it's course. The same people are repeating themselves ad nauseum.
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Then let the Mods deal with it, it is not up to you to act like a little child and ask for the thread to be closed because you don't like it.
If it offends you don't click on it.
 
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