fps games suck with pads

[LittleGreyCat]

Just got to this thread after searching for information about gamepads.

I am not a PC gamer but am suffering temptation to try a game or two when I build my new system.

As far as I can see, with consolse such as the Wii you can have multiple controllers so several players can interact in a single game displayed on the TV.

How do you do this on a PC?

I can see that for a single player on a single PC a mouse and keyboard may be more intuitive at the start, but can you use multiple keyboards on a single PC?

Or do games with multiple controllers only work on consoles?

Cheers

LGC

 

[AndyT]

Only for playing Dirt 3, Wipeout and Carmaddegon work fine with a keyboard

I agree with you so much, all my friends play BF3, MW3 and Halo on consoles, they're so obsessed with playing on consoles and keep trying to get me onto them, but I've grown up playing FPS'ers like Doom, Quake and Half Life, all much better games BECAUSE they're on the PC.

I need to find some more PC-focused gamers to play against me on AVP on Steam

Doom didnt need a mouse, you couldnt look up.....

 

[pingu666]

you could aim better with mouse though? think i played it keyboard only, but i cant remmber, deffo did with wolfenstein

 

[Jackaby]

going to be interesting when CS:GO comes out with it's cross platform gaming, all the oldskool cs players against console pads..... oh how the console gamers will be crying xD

This. Seriously, this.

 

[RollerBall]

I see there are still PC gamers that refuse to accept or read up on the fact that the PS3 cross platform version will support K+M and be a completely even playing field.

Lol, are you being serious? You honestly think every PS3 player who buys the new CS:GO game will also hook up a mouse/KB and will be just as proficient with it as a PC gamer? It won't be a level playing field at all. Your standard PS3 gamer will still try to use a pad and if they try to pick up a mouse for the first time they will get rolled on by all the veteran CSS players. Anybody who will be adept at a mouse will pick it up on PC so the PS3 CS:GO players will either A. suck with a mouse or B. try to use a pad.

Not sure if trollin' or just stupid...

 

[just Scott]

Apart from all the people on this forum (myself included) that use both and are capable of happily playing an FPS game with either.

Yes, given the choice I would pick K+M the majority of the time, however the pad is still a perfectly usable option for playing FPS games.

A bunch of PC elitists sucking at using a pad, doesn't make it an possible to use peripheral.

You're wrong. :/

Controller is objectively less precise than a mouse. This makes it less fun. I played Halo 2 competitively at the highest level (was one of the best in the UK) on the Xbox for 5 years, so I was pretty damn good with the controller. However I can safely say, after 2 years of competitive PC FPS at a high level, that FPS on a console is no longer fun because of how much it lacks precision.

 

[Fr0dders]

going to be interesting when CS:GO comes out with it's cross platform gaming, all the oldskool cs players against console pads..... oh how the console gamers will be crying xD

except of course it will only be cross platform on the PS3

which will have keyb + mouse support at launch (the PS3 has always had this, but games rarely use it)

Anybody who will be adept at a mouse will pick it up on PC so the PS3 CS:GO players will either A. suck with a mouse or B. try to use a pad.

of course they will ! i mean everybody who can afford a mouse can afford a nice gaming PC can't they ?

Don't be so daft. There will be a nice mix of both i expect. And I would not be at all surprised if some PC gamers deliberately bought this game on their PS3, and hooked up their keyb + mouse, just to shock other PC gamers and give thema false hope when they see their opponent is on the PS3. Speaking as a console and PC gamer, thats just the sort of thing i'd do....

 

[Mark A]

No more upgrades/system glitches/6 weekly Dust clear outs/sitting up my desk with headphones on/wondering whether a game I just pay 40 quid for will work etc etc etc etc

Well, if you cleaned your pc out ever 6 weeks you should be doing the same with your console as its a mini pc after all and they overheat due to dust in the same way. Personally, I haven't cleaned my PC in over 2 years and there isn't much dust inside at all. A decent case filters the dust and you just hoover out the filter every now and again.

The only one that's actually correct is "sitting up my desk with headphones" .

 

[Fr0dders]

The only one that's actually correct is "sitting up my desk with headphones" .

well no

Theres no denying that consoles are

A) cheaper
B) don't need upgrading to run the latest games

and due to being a closed platform

C) don't have anywhere near the same level of bugs and glitches that PC games do. Yes they still have some, but the issue is much, much less as the consoles are easier to develop for.

 

[orderoftheflame]

Lol, are you being serious? You honestly think every PS3 player who buys the new CS:GO game will also hook up a mouse/KB and will be just as proficient with it as a PC gamer? It won't be a level playing field at all. Your standard PS3 gamer will still try to use a pad and if they try to pick up a mouse for the first time they will get rolled on by all the veteran CSS players. Anybody who will be adept at a mouse will pick it up on PC so the PS3 CS:GO players will either A. suck with a mouse or B. try to use a pad.

Not sure if trollin' or just stupid...

I know which you are. You assume that very few PS3 owners have ever touched a mouse of keyboard with gaming in mind ever, or ever played CS on the PC. As usual, PC Games forum thread regarding console players results in unjustified stereotyping.

I've got some mates that were extremely proficient at it, but have migrated to consoles since then. Every time I've seen them go back, they've rolled face after a few rounds of getting back into it.

If your standard CS:GO PS3 player only uses a pad on pad only servers, who cares? Regardless of retarded stereotyping of it's player base, the PS3 version will play the same as the PC version with a mouse and keyboard.

You're wrong. :/

Controller is objectively less precise than a mouse. This makes it less fun. I played Halo 2 competitively at the highest level (was one of the best in the UK) on the Xbox for 5 years, so I was pretty damn good with the controller. However I can safely say, after 2 years of competitive PC FPS at a high level, that FPS on a console is no longer fun because of how much it lacks precision.

Your saying that because you've now played with a mouse and keyboard "competitively", you're incapable of enjoying games using a pad, regardless of the game? You couldn't go back and enjoy a game of Halo despite being "one of the best"? I doubt you'd take the same view if you weren't "pro-1337 competitive".

 

[muzzler]

I moved back to pc after many years playing console- mainly bf3
I cant get used to kb/m again and have bought an xbox controller (plus it kills my rsi).
OK i'm not the best but im playing for a laugh and for some team play not my k/d ratio, so it's ok for me!

 

[V4NT0M]

You're wrong. :/

Controller is objectively less precise than a mouse. This makes it less fun. I played Halo 2 competitively at the highest level (was one of the best in the UK) on the Xbox for 5 years, so I was pretty damn good with the controller. However I can safely say, after 2 years of competitive PC FPS at a high level, that FPS on a console is no longer fun because of how much it lacks precision.

Lmao... Funniest post... Ever...

You correctly state that a controller is less precise than m+kb 'objectively' but then go on to coin a wholly subjective conclusion.

hahaha

All mocking aside, I have been enjoying my new gaming pc playing rage mainly, it's controls are spot on for pc, then I went back and played BF3 on the xbox and it just felt weird.

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

The one thing that has stopped me from ever considering buying a console is due to my gaming generally been FPS based.

No one can argue that K/M allows more precise control.

One thing that intrigues me is why don't the console manufacturers introduce K/M support for all their FPS games? It would certainly make them a very tempting prospect for people like myself.

 

[iv-tecman]

I moved back to pc after many years playing console- mainly bf3
I cant get used to kb/m again and have bought an xbox controller (plus it kills my rsi).
OK i'm not the best but im playing for a laugh and for some team play not my k/d ratio, so it's ok for me!

Same problem, I'm struggling to play with mouse and keyboard and back up until I got a PS3 in 2007 I was always playing PC games including games like tomb raider with keyboard and a mouse.

Been playing some PC gamings recently and not a single one of them I've been able to play with a keyboard and mouse.. Its really shocking, to the point I plug in my PS3 controller and use this instead emulated as a 360 gamepad..

I no longer consider myself a true PC gamer, I'm just someone using a PC to play console games with higher (1920 x 1080) graphics, some AA and if I want to go online, out comes the PS3 and I connect to PSN.

In fact, I had so many problems recently with Batman Arkham city (which is a single player game) I went back to my PS3, its a sad state of affairs for me.

One time I loved kb & mouse now I can't stand it and treat my laptop as a portable games console lol oh well guess I'm getting older..!!

 

[Fr0dders]

The one thing that has stopped me from ever considering buying a console is due to my gaming generally been FPS based.

No one can argue that K/M allows more precise control.

One thing that intrigues me is why don't the console manufacturers introduce K/M support for all their FPS games? It would certainly make them a very tempting prospect for people like myself.

The PS3 already does

Just so few games use it because it would split the player base in two. Its not fair to have keyb + mouse PS3 players, playing against PS3 pad players.

 

[Phal]

Just earlier you said that people only "think joypads are ok for FPS games" because they've not used to M+K, which is rubbish. Pad is a fine and perfectly usable input method with practice. It won't cut the mustard in a competitive PC environment, but discarding it from any FPS situation is retarded.

Skyrim while not an FPS as such was much better suited to a pad than the default M+K controls imo.

I think that's more of a personal choice thing.

Personally I don't something is usable or suitable if I know there is something better which is available for the same price. I'm the same with any hobby or passtime, I won't use something if I don't think it's up to scratch ;/

Joypads might be 'ok' for FPS games but the fact that most if not all FPS games on consoles have some kind of aim assist says it all for me... Joypads just don't cut it.

I remember going to i5 and seeing a guy playing TFC using a keyboard and joystick... Oddly enough that combination of controls has never caught on either

 

[JimAroo]

I had to play all the way through Dead Space 1 with an Xbox pad, was so awkward. Good job it was an awesome game otherwise i wouldn't have even attempted to play it with a controller.

So glad Dead Space 2 was a bit more keyboard and mouse friendly..

 

[just Scott]

I know which you are. You assume that very few PS3 owners have ever touched a mouse of keyboard with gaming in mind ever, or ever played CS on the PC. As usual, PC Games forum thread regarding console players results in unjustified stereotyping.

I've got some mates that were extremely proficient at it, but have migrated to consoles since then. Every time I've seen them go back, they've rolled face after a few rounds of getting back into it.

If your standard CS:GO PS3 player only uses a pad on pad only servers, who cares? Regardless of retarded stereotyping of it's player base, the PS3 version will play the same as the PC version with a mouse and keyboard.

Your saying that because you've now played with a mouse and keyboard "competitively", you're incapable of enjoying games using a pad, regardless of the game? You couldn't go back and enjoy a game of Halo despite being "one of the best"? I doubt you'd take the same view if you weren't "pro-1337 competitive".

Halo 2 is the only game I would probably enjoy playing on a controller ever again. I've since tried playing Halo 3 and Reach, and I just can't do it. I'd rather use a mouse or not play these games at all.

Make fun of me for being a competitive player all you like, I don't really care. But you're the one who is saying the reason people don't enjoy using a controller is because they suck at it. Well all I'm saying is that I don't suck at it and I still find controllers unusable.

Lmao... Funniest post... Ever...

You correctly state that a controller is less precise than m+kb 'objectively' but then go on to coin a wholly subjective conclusion.

hahaha

All mocking aside, I have been enjoying my new gaming pc playing rage mainly, it's controls are spot on for pc, then I went back and played BF3 on the xbox and it just felt weird.

This makes no sense to me. I stated that objectively controllers are less precise than a mouse. This lack of control makes console games less fun. Obviously that's my opinion which is subjective. Are you honestly surprised that an objective factor, like precision, can affect my opinion on whether I find something enjoyable? That seems entirely normal to me.

 

[Kamwah]

If pitted against eachother you could never have the control you have with K+M that you do with a controller. That's all there is to it.