Yeah, my thoughts precisely:
The classifieds show that the 580 cores do have a massive amount of overclock left in them, if only the thermals can be managed.
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[Official] HD 7970 Reviews
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Yeah, my thoughts precisely:
The classifieds show that the 580 cores do have a massive amount of overclock left in them, if only the thermals can be managed.
Agreed. I was expecting to check the review pages today and see somewhere in the region of a 40-50% average bump over the GTX580. Sub 30% is not what I was hoping to see - especially for a core that's only 6% smaller than Cayman.
if I was AMD I'd have been releasing them as the 7870/50 then people would have been a lot more impressed (atleast those with short enough memories not to remember the renaming 
) I was quite suprised to find the Tahiti cores coming out so soon when the Thames cores were supposed to come out now and Tahiti not for another couple of months.
) I was quite suprised to find the Tahiti cores coming out so soon when the Thames cores were supposed to come out now and Tahiti not for another couple of months.
Heh, one thing I've been noticing is that the biggest gains over the 6970 have been had where the 6970 significantly trailed behind the GTX580.
For example in Crysis 2:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/14.html
There are gains of around 56-60% over the 6970 at the higher resolutions, but still a fairly lacklustre ~20% over the GTX580. It seems that AMD have made up a lot of ground where the 6970 was weak compared to Nvidia's offerings, but didn't capitalise enough on their previous strengths to create any really large performance differences between the 7970 and the GTX580. I'm not going to lie, I'd be surprised if Kepler didn't completely mop the floor with the 7970.
For example in Crysis 2:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/14.html
There are gains of around 56-60% over the 6970 at the higher resolutions, but still a fairly lacklustre ~20% over the GTX580. It seems that AMD have made up a lot of ground where the 6970 was weak compared to Nvidia's offerings, but didn't capitalise enough on their previous strengths to create any really large performance differences between the 7970 and the GTX580. I'm not going to lie, I'd be surprised if Kepler didn't completely mop the floor with the 7970.
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Just in from work and I'm only on the first page of comments...
There will probably be more to come.
Nope, that will be the people that bought 2x 6950's unlocked to 6970's in CrossFire for less than £400 and been using it all these time are the clear winners.
(Although you did say that that 2Gb 6950/560's are the best value)
Pats himself on the back on buying and using 6950>70 CrossFire almost 1 year ago!
There will probably be more to come.
Nope, that will be the people that bought 2x 6950's unlocked to 6970's in CrossFire for less than £400 and been using it all these time are the clear winners.
(Although you did say that that 2Gb 6950/560's are the best value)
Pats himself on the back on buying and using 6950>70 CrossFire almost 1 year ago!
Yep, Rroff, bargain you got there too!
My 6950>70 CrossFire's @1GHz+ are trading punches with stock 580 SLI, so I'm delighted for the price I paid!
The problem free 480Soc's were a fantastic deal to at the time too(although there was a real chance of unwanted grief with some of them)!
No chance would I be paying for the 7970 card, far to expensive for the gains on the 580, they should have priced it in direct competition to 580's and they would have had a far better reception.
Or those of us who got our GTX470 SLI setups at ~£300
My 6950>70 CrossFire's @1GHz+ are trading punches with stock 580 SLI, so I'm delighted for the price I paid!
The problem free 480Soc's were a fantastic deal to at the time too(although there was a real chance of unwanted grief with some of them)!
No chance would I be paying for the 7970 card, far to expensive for the gains on the 580, they should have priced it in direct competition to 580's and they would have had a far better reception.
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Not true at all. If they were priced @ £50 there would still be the Nvidia fan boys talking the same nonsense they are here now. Will never please all.
You want the best you pay the most.
This ZeroCore technology would be nice for a media PC that you want to have a bit of a kick (for playing games in the lounge). Very quiet for desktop use.
Not particularly impressive though all things considered, especially as the early price gouging is clearly going to make it ~£500.
Not particularly impressive though all things considered, especially as the early price gouging is clearly going to make it ~£500.
They should price them a bit under the 580 really, then no one will care that they aren't quite all they could have been. Not that I'd buy one even then but thats another story. They'd be solid cards at £300 even £350 but at best part of £500 its just not worth it.
Best waiting till Kepler arrives then decide to upgrade to either AMD or Nvidia as the chances are AMD will soon rocket the price down if Kepler owns it.
AMD should have priced them at 6970 prices, they would have milked loads of sales prior to Kepler being released.
AMD should have priced them at 6970 prices, they would have milked loads of sales prior to Kepler being released.
It looks like Drunkmaster got it wrong.....who would have thought it!
50% faster then the GTX580?
Time for my prediction. I predict that drunkmaster will say he didn't get it wrong and that's not what he said at all and what he actually said was...........
shocker has DM talks out of his bum hole
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How would they do that?
Supply will be incredibly limited for 2-3 months.
NVIDIA are launching as late as they are precisely because yields (and therefore supply) are ultra, ultra low at the moment.
AMD are doing the right thing financially.
However, this 7xxx generation of cards could see price drops like none before them, during the course of the next 6-9 months *if* TSMC improve yields significantly and start churning chips out in much higher volumes. This said, I don't see it getting that good within the next 9 months, because even if yields do improve massively, production capacity will remain in a severely constrained state given all the ARM chip designers that want their new A15 dual, tri, quad and quin cores in 28nm.
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That wouldn't make sense selling the cards cheaper than 580's since they offer better performance.
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That wouldn't make sense selling the cards cheaper than 580's since they offer better performance.
course it would or even if they matched nvidia 580 price its got 15-20% more performance than gtx 580 so it would fly off the shelves as a lot of people were expecting a bit more (or so ive read) so pricing it the same they wouldnt feel its a let down then as there getting better performance for the same price it would be a win win situation and nvidia would have to reconsider thier prices to try sell the gtx580
It would sell out for the next couple of months if it was priced at $700-900 instead of $500. Supply is and will be minute.
So why the hell would they undercut the 580? A card which is in plentiful supply and which the 7970 comfortably outperforms.
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There going to fly off the shelves anyway so why would AMD lower the price? AMD have already said that they dropped the ball with the 5870 release by setting its price point far to low so I'm guessing they don't want a repeat of last time.
If it doesn't sell they can trim the price down until they hit the sweet spot, people have paid £400+ for 3Gb GTX580's so why not pay £440 for a 7970, that's 10% more for a 30% increase in performance.
i agree, but i think that the prices will drop very quickly, i think this price is only to entice the very early adopters and it will drop quickly to reel in the rest of us that said it was too much initially