A couple of questions about AMD Bulldozer.

almighty15 · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:30

MOOGLEYS said:
Right here we have MSI afterburner running with 3d mark 11 in a window. Single 6950 my GPU usage remains at %98 constant my Cpu usage never goes above %20 on any core.
Surely if bottnecked the cpu usage would be off the scale.. ?

I can't believe i'm running benchamarks...

Oh dear god, Could you be any more foolish.. STOP using GPU limited things to put things in your favour...

Why don't you run 3D Mark Vanatge?

Or do you have Far Cry 2?

MOOGLEYS · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:34

How about 6 streams of prime 95 with 3d mark 11 at the same time. Once settled down it still maintains %98 gpu usage with %100 cpu usage and a hell of a lot of heat and fan noise...

Martini1991 · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:37

Meh, this is hopeless.
You're right, you're completely bottleneck free on your Phenom II set up......

I guess reviews which show different results in games when comparing the i5 to Phenom II's and FX CPU's are lying.

Thanks for opening my eyes.

MOOGLEYS · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:39

I'm having to stick to a single gpu as the 2500 system is being collected tomorrow so needs to be ready to go.
I will download dawn of war quite fancy playing anyway.

Oh dear god, Could you be any more foolish.. STOP using GPU limited things to put things in your favour...

I couldn't care less about favour or which system is better. I'm doing it to prove a point that a Phenom II is a more than capable gaming cpu that is all. As mentioned I don't benchmark so I have no idea what is good or not tbh.

I will download vantage now for a last go...

almighty15 · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:40

MOOGLEYS said:
How about 6 streams of prime 95 with 3d mark 11 at the same time. Once settled down it still maintains %98 gpu usage with %100 cpu usage and a hell of a lot of heat and fan noise...

You really don't know anything do you, Run a f'king game already..

A Pentium Dual core could run your cards maxed when running 3DM 11 as it's so GPU limited..

Why won't you run real benchmarks? Is it because you'll know they show you're being held back?

MOOGLEYS · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:41

Martini1991 said:
Meh, this is hopeless.
You're right, you're completely bottleneck free on your Phenom II set up......

I guess reviews which show different results in games when comparing the i5 to Phenom II's and FX CPU's are lying.

Thanks for opening my eyes.

I love how people get so worked up about something so trivial. Lighten up it's all fun. As said Show me the bottleneck, show me where i'm going to notice it..

MOOGLEYS · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:41

almighty15 said:
You really don't know anything do you, Run a f'king game already..

A Pentium Dual core could run your cards maxed when running 3DM 11 as it's so GPU limited..

Why won't you run real benchmarks? Is it because you'll know they show you're being held back?

Oh dear god man chill out.. What game ?

almighty15 · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:41

MOOGLEYS said:
I'm having to stick to a single gpu as the 2500 system is being collected tomorrow so needs to be ready to go.
I will download dawn of war quite fancy playing anyway.

I couldn't care less about favour or which system is better. I'm doing it to prove a point that a Phenom II is a more than capable gaming cpu that is all. As mentioned I don't benchmark so I have no idea what is good or not tbh.

I will download vantage now for a last go...

Dude I had one of if not the fastest Phenom 2 x6 in the country so I think I would know just how slow they are compared to Intel...

almighty15 · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:42

MOOGLEYS said:
Oh dear god man chill out.. What game ?

Download this :

http://www.gamefront.com/files/X3+Terran+Conflict+Rolling+Demo/;12259565;/fileinfo.html

MOOGLEYS · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:43

I already have that one of my all time favourite game series and all three run at 1080p perfectly

.. Will run it now as before....

Martini1991 · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:48

MOOGLEYS said:
I love how people get so worked up about something so trivial. Lighten up it's all fun. As said Show me the bottleneck, show me where i'm going to notice it..

I'm not getting worked up.
I'm telling you the bottleneck.
But a single GPU won't bottleneck on that set up, ergo pointless.

MOOGLEYS · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:50

almighty15 said:
Dude I had one of if not the fastest Phenom 2 x6 in the country so I think I would know just how slow they are compared to Intel...

In what though this is about gaming. Honestly I can tell no difference gaming on my Phenom or the i5 machine I have just built both using the same 6950 @ 1080p..

The point of all of this is really the only way to see a difference is to run benhmarks. People keep advising people with already decent Phenom II setups that there best option is to go i5 but for what to see no difference in game ?

almighty15 · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:58

MOOGLEYS said:
In what though this is about gaming. Honestly I can tell no difference gaming on my Phenom or the i5 machine I have just built both using the same 6950 @ 1080p..

The point of all of this is really the only way to see a difference is to run benhmarks. People keep advising people with already decent Phenom II setups that there best option is to go i5 but for what to see no difference in game ?

There will be a difference, My example was Crysis... Maxed out with 4xMSAA on my old 5850 Crossfire at 1920x1080.

My Phenom 2 x6 1075T at 4.2Ghz managed 56fps average and 38fps minimum which I was very happy about.

But during actually game play with loads of on-screen action they would actually drop into the low 20's...

Moved to a 2500k and my average jumped to 60fps which was not very noticeable, Minimum frame rate however jump up to 48fps and I was actually GPU limited instead of being CPU limited like I was with the Phenom 2 and my frame rate low longer dipped, Stayed well above 30fps no matter what was happening on screen.

You paid a lot of cash for your 6950's but because of your Phenom 2 you're not getting the performance you PAID for..

Every time you get a drop in frame rate when the action heats up, That's not your GPU's running out of steam, it's you Phenom 2 choking under the load..

MOOGLEYS · 22 Dec 2011 at 23:59

Right no pic as it did not work with X3 terran demo running in a window all settings max or as max as they can go.

My cpu usage averages around %50 sometimes a bit more sometimes less. My GPU usage is around %20 again it jitters around a bit. The FPS on the demo is min - 26 and max - 137...

?

almighty15 · 23 Dec 2011 at 00:01

MOOGLEYS said:
Right no pic as it did not work with X3 terran demo running in a window all settings max or as max as they can go.

My cpu usage averages around %50 sometimes a bit more sometimes less. My GPU usage is around %20 again it jitters around a bit. The FPS on the demo is min - 26 and max - 137...

?

That's a CPU limitation right there, I bet when I run it in a minute with a single 5850 I crush your score..

What settings did you use?

MOOGLEYS · 23 Dec 2011 at 00:03

almighty15 said:
That's a CPU limitation right there, I bet when I run it in a minute with a single 5850 I crush your score..

What settings did you use?

But its the same on this i5 system. so far the demo is showing min of 20 and max of 126 but it's not finshed yet.. ?

I used all settings at max with AA etc and 1920x1080 window...

almighty15 · 23 Dec 2011 at 00:15

1920x1080

8xMSAA, 16xAF and everything on max.

2500k at 5Ghz, ASUS 5850 at 900Mhz

Picture I took with my phone..

Maxed out GPU use, I'm GPU limited and my 2500k is doing it's job and pushing the GPU all the way up to it limit.

Check this out : http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=203

MOOGLEYS · 23 Dec 2011 at 00:25

This i5 system matches the max fps you have there but the min is still only 20fps.. ? When the demo first starts it stutters a bit for a second or two and then is fine. It does this on both the systems ?

What use is 193fps... ? How would you see a difference ingame between that and 120fps..?

Edit just installed the demo to my SSD on my phenom system and now the min is showing as 118fps. It seems that the cpu and gpu are not the only limiting factor with the test....

almighty15 · 23 Dec 2011 at 00:29

MOOGLEYS said:
This i5 system matches the max fps you have there but the min is still only 20fps.. ? When the demo first starts it stutters a bit for a second or two and then is fine. It does this on both the systems ?

Lovely and smooth on mine matey...

You might need to format...

Do you and you 6950's a favour and get rid of the AMD chip...

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 is actually slightly faster then a Phenom 2 x4 on a clock-for-clock bassis and look how the Q9650 fairs when run against a 2500k

The same performance gap would be there if you compared ANY AMD Phenom 2 CPU to the 2500k.

Video can be watched....Here

MOOGLEYS · 23 Dec 2011 at 00:36

almighty15 said:
Lovely and smooth on mine matey...

You might need to format...

Do you and you 6950's a favour and get rid of the AMD chip...

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 is actually slightly faster then a Phenom 2 x4 on a clock-for-clock bassis and look how the Q9650 fairs when run against a 2500k

The same performance gap would be there if you compared ANY AMD Phenom 2 CPU to the 2500k.

Video can be watched....Here

just installed the demo to my SSD on my phenom system and now the min is showing as 118fps. It seems that the cpu and gpu are not the only limiting factor with the test....

Why would I wan't to swap my cpu when every game runs fine. Like I have said I see no difference ingame between an I5 and a Phenom II @ 1080p..

My point is still very valid if you have a decent phenom II setup and you main interest is games then you will not see the huge increases in performance that are claimed.
I'm not biased either the Pc I have just built is an I5 system as I was building a complete new system I recomnded to go I5 as it is a better cpu and makes sense if you are buying a new system especially as it only works out marginally more expensive than a Phenom setup.