The law, morality and what is deemed "ok"

bhavv said:
So if I understand correctly according to what I've read, somehow that makes me immoral and reckless too.
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Depends really if your reaction was 'well played, good on you dad' for not getting caught.

edit - for clarification, a few more 'gems' from Jay in the drink driving thread:

She didn't get caught.......I fail to see why you had a go at her

IMO It's only illegal if you get caught, for example whats wrong with growing weed for personal use?

I wasn't saying I would get high and drive, just like I don't drink and drive, but she got away with it, good for her

I was merely saying "why have a go at her when she didn't get caught, good for her"

It's almost too stupid for words
 
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Regarding my third question,

Is it kill or be killed or do you just scare them off and hope they don't return with more people/bigger knives etc...

This question I find particularly interesting because in the news recently 2 people have been spared a prison sentance, despite killing intruders because the court deemed that they used "reasonable force" on the intruders
 
bhavv said:
But thats their fault for being so reckless, and you really seem unlucky for having had them as friends in the first place. If I knew that someone was drink driving, I wouldnt consider them a friend anymore and wouldnt have any remorse for them if they got themselves killed.

To quote one of my (female) friends 'I think that people who drink and drive should be shot or executed before they end up running someone over. It might sound harsh, but I'd rather that they die before someone innocent does'.

I fully agree. Even in the case of the person I explained above.
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WTF Are you talking about Bhavv? I've had THREE friends on separate occasions killed BY drunk drivers.
 
Kenai said:
Depends really if your reaction was 'well played, good on you dad' for not getting caught.
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Quite.

The immorality is in the act itself......whether a person gets caught or not is immaterial. I am not sure that I would judge a child for not reporting their father though, the responsibility really lies with the adult in these cases. It is not so clear cut if the child is an adult though.....I'm not sure what I would do.

I would certainly not condone it, and I would certainly make sure my father knew in no uncertain terms that I thought he was being a total arse for drink driving, reporting him though....I don't know. Difficult question.

The illegality of it is separate issue.
 
bhavv said:
It was more like disgusted, and also agreeing with someone that such people should be shot.
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Well then you haven't understood what you've read correctly, what makes Jay immoral is the way he seems to think it's a-ok to drink drive, it's only getting caught that is a problem, so if you can do it and not get caught then 'good for you'.

That's why people are having a go at him.
 
Jay794 said:
Meaning what? regardless of what I actually believe or do in my space time, for the purposes of this thread I'm not attempting to justify the recreational use of drugs whether you're driving or not
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I was fixing your typo :) You spelt it wrong.
 
Kenai said:
She didn't get caught.......I fail to see why you had a go at her

It's almost too stupid for words
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Well, not really. It also depends on how hot the girl is, whether she has big bitties, and if she is willing to perform any favours for you to keep her secret.

I'd still report it to the police afterwards though for teh lulz.
 
I don't think theres any problem in growing a bit of weed, if you work hard and want to use it recreationally, fine. As long as you're not on the dole you can do drugs.
And it's fine for medicinal purposes, it's actually really effective in the treatment of certain illnesses.

Doesn't matter what they're trialing, people are being refused medications they need because the government doesn't like the idea. It takes minimum 10 years to bring a drug to market, we have all this weed and we know it works. People are using it because it actually works, a good friend of mine has fibromyalgia and it's the only thing which brings relief from it.

Drink drivers are scum though, because thats not a personal matter, that is putting others at danger.
 
If a person has grown it themselves and arent paying for it though, why does their employment status matter?

Should unemployed people not be allowed to grow their own vegetables or fruits either?
 
Driving under the influence of anything is moronic.


Question 1
Personally I would say it's fine as long as it's not been sold or used when doing something that could kill you. e.g. driving.

Question 2
Personally I would say yes. It's proven as a strong pain killer.

Question 3 (none drug related)
Anyone breaking into anyone's property should be allowed to use force upon the person entering including some sort of weapon. Protecting personal belongings should not be the issue here.
 
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Tummy said:
WTF Are you talking about Bhavv? I've had THREE friends on separate occasions killed BY drunk drivers.
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Some people are more alert when they're drunk.

When I'm drunk I play COD, FIFA 12 and Skyrim better. Im more in touch with what I'm doing. I remember when I was younger I got drunk with my mates and we stayed up all night and got 100% on Grand Theft Auto with no cheats whatsoever! I woke up the next morning and I didn't even remember playing it!

Seriously, don't judge everyone the same way. When I'm sober Im not as concentrated but when I'm drunk I'm focused, I have my game face on and I'm more focused.

Alcohol can make you smarter, health more creative and can improve your reaction time. Different substances have different influences on people. I know when I'm drunk I can run really fast and for a longer period.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1058526.stm
 
oxygene said:
I was fixing your typo :) You spelt it wrong.
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Which bit?

bhavv said:
Well, not really. It also depends on how hot the girl is, whether she has big bitties, and if she is willing to perform any favours for you to keep her secret.

I'd still report it to the police afterwards though for teh lulz.
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Thats going a bit far IMO, What I was trying to say is, if she was over the limit (if the limit is 35, i think) and she got pulled over and got 40 on the breathaliser, then taken back to the station and re-breathalised, she may be at 32, in which case she was over the limit when stopped, thus drink driving, but she won't be charged.

HOWEVER, if she was at blew 70 or 100, then there is no excuse
 
Jay794 said:
What I was trying to say is, if she was over the limit (if the limit is 35, i think) and she got pulled over and got 40 on the breathaliser, then taken back to the station and re-breathalised, she may be at 32, in which case she was over the limit when stopped, thus drink driving, but she won't be charged.

HOWEVER, if she was at blew 70 or 100, then there is no excuse
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"Good for her" is a strange way of trying to say all that.
 
Tummy said:
WTF Are you talking about Bhavv? I've had THREE friends on separate occasions killed BY drunk drivers.
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Oh sorry, I didnt read your response and misinterperated.

you should make things like that more clear, by saying that you lost 3 friends due to drink driving made it sound like they were drink driving.

Tummy said:
Is bhavv just not going to bother apologising?
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No, I didnt see your post until it was quoted for the second time.
 
Kenai said:
"Good for her" is a strange way of trying to say all that.
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Ok so I should have elaborated a bit more lol

bhavv said:
If a person has grown it themselves and arent paying for it though, why does their employment status matter?

Should unemployed people not be allowed to grow their own vegetables or fruits either?
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I think what they mean is, if you're on the dole, doing drugs is seen as you just being a waster, at least if you work for a living, its some how justifiable
 
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