No Android 4.0 update for Galaxy S and first Galaxy Tab

If i'm reading it right, the likes of Samsung and HTC are the ones not supporting older devices rather than Google right? Essentially the older phones cant run ICS and all of their propriatary crap so they just don't bother. If its a question of older devices not even being capable of running ICS in any way then I have no problem with that. You either continue to support old tech which holds back advancement or you cut the crap and roll along your merry path.

Imagine how different Windows could be if Microsoft could stop supporting all computers and software that are over 4 years old.

I have a DHD and i'll put a ICS rom on it once i'm comfortable that its stable and everything works properly. I'd love to see more devices being sold that are JUST the OS without any of the 3rd party junk on it that I'm not allowed to remove without rooting. Maybe now that Goole own Motorolla we might see a few more Google phones in a few years.
 
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Samsung are just being lazy here, they have no excuse for not supporting a phone that came out in June 2010 and is still being sold today. Obviously you can choose to not support it if there are hardware issues, but the Galaxy S could run ICS without issues.

It's a poor show.
 
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List some of the benefits i'll get - ICS once TW'd up is probably going be to the same as it is now.
 
I know it isn't the sole reason Locke, but it does play a very large part in it as well.

Remember how long it took for the desire to get 2.2, considering the nexus one is pretty much a desire as well.

Just like the GS has the same hardware as the nexus S, the GS should in theory have had ICS pretty much the same time as the NS if it weren't for the whole touchwiz skin.


Yes google would be at a loss as well, however no where as big as what it would be to the likes of HTC, motorola considering how much google is worth and all the projects their tide into, Samsung would also be at a loss (considering how popular their Galaxy series is, especially the GS 2), however not as much as what HTC etc. would be.

Android is the most popular platform for smartphones now and the only viable option they have is windows 7 then and of course, windows 7 mobiles are not selling any where near as many units as the android mobiles (and none of their skins would be allowed on that either, so if they turn that down as well, then they really have very little choice left, especially any options where they would make the same money from their android mobiles).

Google are the ones that have the power here over the companies, and I honestly would be surprised if any of them turned down android just because they aren't allowed to have their own skins applied.
 
I remember seeing or reading that Google are all for Manufacturer skins. I will link it when I find it.

Edit: and to be fair SGS1 started off at 2.1 - so 2 upgrades to the OS is fair. If you wanted the latest OS all the time then you should have picked a nexus phone.
 
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kona786 said:
List some of the benefits i'll get - ICS once TW'd up is probably going be to the same as it is now.
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In terms of UI, yes.

Some neat features brought by ICS:

- the multi-tasking window, where you can slide apps to close them etc. possibly

- Resizeable widgets (not sure if you can already do this on touchwiz launcher?)

- Improved text input and spell checking

- the voice recognition/input stuff

- Control over network data

- Much better camera features including the awesome quick/instant snapping

- Even better web browsing

Pretty much stole that all from here

http://www.android.com/about/ice-cream-sandwich/

:p

And of course even faster and smoother in general and more efficient battery life.
 
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Nexus18 said:
In terms of UI, yes.

Some neat features brought by ICS:

- the multi-tasking window, where you can slide apps to lcose them etc. possibly

- eye candy is all that is - I'm sure I read that it doesn't kill the task just removes it from the list. I have samsungs task manager shortcutted to a swipe gesture - very useful app that is - shows ram use and cpu use and can switch+kill tasks.

- Resizeable widgets (not sure if you can already do this on touchwiz launcher?)

- already in Go Launcher and TW.

- Improved text input and spell checking

- tbh I don't have any issue with this at the mo.

- the voice recognition/input stuff

don't use it.

- Control over network data

- 3g watchdog

- Much better camera features including the awesome quick/instant snapping

- instant snapping which is already decent on the sgs2 - panaorma feature is nice tho.

- Even better web browsing

- already great and fast.

Pretty much stole that all from here

http://www.android.com/about/ice-cream-sandwich/

:p

And of course even faster and smoother in general and more efficient battery life.

that is great as is too - can't see it getting any smoother, battery life will be negligible I bet.
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Well, I guess it just comes down to users need/preference then! :)

Although I was just talking about the entire stock apps etc. not like go launcher for resizing widgets etc.

As I said before, this is the first time I can truly say that I wouldn't bother with 3rd party apps to replace stock apps, if I had a HTC, samsung, sony mobiles, every thing would be replaced straight away with stuff from the market, the only thing, which I would install after a few weeks with stock ICS would be go launcher just for more customization of the home screens.

Seen your edit in your previous post, I would agree with that if it were a mobile that had completely different hardware to the nexus S and was not one of the most popular devices and the hardware was indeed struggling to support ICS, then fair enough, however that isn't the case.
 
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Nexus18 said:
Well, I guess it just comes down to users need/preference then! :)

Although I was just talking about the entire stock apps etc. not like go launcher for resizing widgets etc.
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Indeed preference. TW launcher can resize its own widget - don't know about 3rd party ones

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Seen your edit in your previous post, I would agree with that if it were a mobile that had completely different hardware to the nexus S and was not one of the most popular devices and the hardware was indeed struggling to support ICS, then fair enough, however that isn't the case.
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Its would still need developing and testing when adding TW. Time and money thats not worth spending to them. Greatest benefit I can see is hardware acceleration.

IMO i really think SGS1 hardware doesn't warrant samungs time to develop ICS for it. Again I would say 2.3 is good enough.
 
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Indeed it would, however that is the reason there apparently not bringing full ICS with touchwiz to the GS as there isn't room for both.


I think the benefit would be even greater for the GS than the GS 2 and thus even more important to do so IMO.


But it is more so, that the GS is one of the most popular android devices, even more than the desire and therefore you would kind of expect it to get the latest ICS especially considering that it can run perfectly fine on it as shown.

Here are stats showing the top android phones according to appbrain:

http://www.appbrain.com/stats/

Only one to beat it is the GS 2.

They should at least do what HTC did with 2.3 for the desire, give the more knowledgeable users the choice of ICS through manual dll and flashing etc. of either pure stock android or/and ICS with touchiwz but some features of touchwiz cut down instead.
 
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kona786 said:
Indeed preference. TW launcher can resize its own widget - don't know about 3rd party ones



Its would still need developing and testing when adding TW. Time and money thats not worth spending to them. Greatest benefit I can see is hardware acceleration.

IMO i really think SGS1 hardware doesn't warrant samungs time to develop ICS for it. Again I would say 2.3 is good enough.
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It's already been done though? :confused:

And no, Gingerbread being "good enough" doesn't make ICS any less appealing since even the most casual users will notice the difference on stock devices and once you theme it up, it is a much smoother experience than Gingerbread.

That's coming from an SGS user trying out all kinds of ROMs since the device was released. Latest ICS builds on XDA forums are relatively stable.


As long as Nexus S is supported, we will get unofficial ports anyway. **** Samsung.
 
I have to laugh at some of the 'get an iPhone' messages based on this news. iOS hasn't changed anywhere near as much as Android, even Eclair to FroYo was a big step. And yes older iPhones get the updates, conveniently missing the 'key features' for older phones like MMS, video recording, Facetime, Siri etc. And I've read so many people moaning about newer versions of iOS badly slowing down older handsets, including Robbo. ;)
 
What are the chances of Samsung not putting TouchWiz on the Galaxy S III?

Somewhere between pretty damn slim and absolutely none I fear. :(
 
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Why would you want TouchWiz on your phone?
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Whos said I did? Samsung won't release a phone/software without it. Simple as.

There's plenty of space on the SGS as it has 8GB ROM that just needs repartitioning. But they don't want to do any of it.

TW launcher I don't like but some of the samsung touches like slider brightness, camera software, file manager, task manager etc are all beneficial to me.
 
No one knows what Touchwiz is going to be like on ICS.

If you don't like the Touchwiz launcher, you can probably install the Vanilla launcher from the Market soon. That way you get to keep all the Touchwiz features, but with increased customisation.
 
Actually we do, and for quite a while now as well :p

http://pocketnow.com/android/samsun...&utm_campaign=Feed:+pocketnow+(pocketnow.com)

As you can see from the video, pretty much exactly the same in terms of looks/skin.


And you can already install a ICS launcher, however it is pretty crap:

https://market.android.com/details?...sMSwxLDEsIm1vYmkuU3luZGljYXRlQXBwcy5JQ1N2MiJd

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And I also really like all the other stock ICS stuff, the messaging app, contacts/phone app, gallery app (may get this on the market as well), the stock widgets, camera app, browser etc. you will not be able to install all those stock apps from the market, only way is to root and flash a stock ICS ROM.
 
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