Stephen lawrence cover up?

Glaucus said:
That's exactly what jmcis saying that it should not be in the news anywhere near it is.

Was no Yates murderer also an unsafe conviction?
Why should it be thrown out? What was so unsafe about the forensics? Or the trial.

Who said contamination was possible. That's not what they said in court.
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Don't quote things without a source. Who said that, the prosecution barrister?

Do I need to dig out the quotes for you to concede this?

Was the Yates murder case a safe conviction - yes I think so don't you? The man admitted it and there is other evidence to link him to it?

It isn't as if the only evidence is a 2mm bit of hair from his clothing which happened to have been stored in the same bag as the victim's clothing is it?
 
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KNIVES, no I am not trolling. Here is the quote for you.

Lawrence forensic evidence 'may have been contaminated'

Sellotape used to seal bags containing suspects' clothing had become ineffective, admits expert


The original chief forensic scientist in the Stephen Lawrence case was forced to admit last night that crucial evidence in the case may have been contaminated as long as 12 years ago.

Adrian Wain, the scientist in charge of the investigation into the killing of the black teenager for 13 years, was brought in by the prosecution to give evidence in the murder trial of Gary Dobson and David Norris.

But in a twist, the Old Bailey jury heard that Mr Wain had cast doubt on whether key exhibits had been contaminated – long before a later forensic examination discovered new evidence on which this trial hinges.

Mr Lawrence, 18, was on his way home on 22 April 1993 when he was set upon by a group of racist men and stabbed twice in what was to become one of the most notorious murders in recent British history.

Eighteen years on, the murder trial revolves around blood spots and flecks as well as fibres and hairs found on the suspects' clothing. The prosecution insists that the evidence, found when scientists re-examined the garments during a cold case review in 2006, proves the pair were among the violent gang.

The defence, however, has rejected it as merely a "teaspoon" of evidence, the product of cross contamination over the years. Mr Dobson, 36, and Mr Norris, 35 both deny murder.

Yesterday Mr Wain insisted that his staff in 1993 had done everything to protect the evidence while it was in their laboratory. But in cross-examination Timothy Roberts QC, for Mr Dobson, produced a damning report from a senior officer made in 1999.

Detective Chief Superintendent Barry Webb wrote that both Mr Wain and the exhibits officer had questioned "the deterioration of the packaging of the clothing exhibits in this case".

"Original tape seals used when the items were seized in 1993 had become so ineffective that, in Adrian Wain's view, in the event of alien blood cells being found on the suspects' clothing in any subsequent examination, he would be unable to rule out the possibility of contamination," he wrote.

Mr Roberts produced a letter by the scientist two years later, responding to requests from police officers to test Mr Lawrence's jumper and body-warmer for fibres. In it, he wrote that he was "reluctant" to do so, given that he had only found one fibre with a weak match to Mr Dobson's jacket on Mr Lawrence's jacket and "my concern about the possibility of contamination in this case".

"I think I was aware that the items had been in and out of the laboratory. I didn't have control of them outside the laboratory and we didn't know whether they had been in the same locations. We knew the packaging was deteriorating and, yes, I had concerns about contamination," Mr Wain told the court yesterday.

Earlier, the trial was told that repeated examinations had found no definitive trace of blood and only a few fibres that were considered very weak evidence. Central to the prosecution's case is that a minute spot of Mr Lawrence's blood was found soaked into the collar of Mr Dobson's jacket. The trial continues.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...dence-may-have-been-contaminated-6267698.html
 
matt100 said:
I don't get where the money thing comes from unless you mean for the press but the press only report what is interesting to the public which whilst subtly different to the public interest still means it's of interest.
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I meant for the legal representation mainly.
 
Key Lawrence evidence items kept in same bag



Clothing worn by Stephen Lawrence on the night he was murdered was stored in the same bag as that of one of his alleged killers after being examined by forensic scientists, the trial heard yesterday.

A laboratory worker was forced to concede that in the early Nineties there were no regulations that banned putting both the victim's and the suspect's garments in the same bag – as each were sealed in separate evidence sacks.

Almost two decades after the 18-year-old was stabbed to death a new murder trial hinges on evidence found on two of the original suspects' clothing.

The prosecution claims that tiny blood spots and flecks, as well as fibres and hairs, found on clothes belonging to Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, during a cold case review in 2006 prove they were part of the gang of white youths on 22 April 1993. Both men deny murder and their defence teams reject the crown case as merely a "teaspoon" of evidence, the product of cross-contamination over the years.

Christopher Bower, a stores worker at a forensics laboratory in Lambeth, south London, told the Old Bailey trial yesterday that the exhibits in the case were returned to police from the lab in November 1995 all individually sealed in paper evidence sacks. But packages containing a cardigan and jacket seized from Mr Dobson's house were put in the same outer plastic sack as one which held Mr Lawrence's black Raiders jacket.

The jury has already heard admissions that tiny traces of evidence might have been on the outside of the sacks but this was not considered an issue in the early Nineties when DNA testing was in its infancy. In cross-examination, Timothy Roberts QC, for Mr Dobson, asked Mr Bower: "When you made a choice as to which packages should go into the same over bag together, what criteria informed that choice?"

Mr Bower replied: "There was no criteria – random packages from the same case would go into an overbag."

The trial has heard how the evidence now relied upon had been examined repeatedly, initially in 1993 and again in 1995 prior to a private prosecution brought by Mr Lawrence's family. It was also evidence in the 1997 inquest and sent to Kent Police for its investigation of a complaint into the conduct of Met officers in the first murder inquiry.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/key-lawrence-evidence-items-kept-in-same-bag-6269283.html
 
Read. Your quote separate evidence sacks.

How does dry blood soak into a garment days or years after its dried.

Thankfully we have appeal system, so of they feel hard done by.
 
deSade said:
The outrageous thing is that if it had been two black men in the dock, I doubt we'd have heard a thing out of you! ;)
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If it had been two black men killing a white kid the whole thing would have been handled with competence from the start. The Police who ballsed this up because of out and out racism combined with stupidity will never face justice and that is disgraceful.
 
Clearly there is a doubt as to the 100% validity of the new forensic findings.

Given that this is the ONLY evidence upon which they have been convicted, the convictions must be considered unsafe by any reasonable person, I submit.
 
The problem here is the double jeopardy law.

The case would never have come to court unless the forensic evidence was deemed concrete before it came to the juries consideration.
A fair trial was impossible.
 
dirtydog said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/key-lawrence-evidence-items-kept-in-same-bag-6269283.html
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Christopher Bower, a stores worker at a forensics laboratory in Lambeth, south London, told the Old Bailey trial yesterday that the exhibits in the case were returned to police from the lab in November 1995all individually sealed in paper evidence sacks. But packages containing a cardigan and jacket seized from Mr Dobson's house were put in the same outer plastic sack as one which held Mr Lawrence's black Raiders jacket.
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So all the items were individually sealed, only two items were held in the same over-bag..still sealed individually however.....hense the findings of the court that contamination was implausible.
 
dirtydog said:
Clearly there is a doubt as to the 100% validity of the new forensic findings.

Given that this is the ONLY evidence upon which they have been convicted, the convictions must be considered unsafe by any reasonable person, I submit.
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No, as how scientifically can dried blood be soaked into another garment?

I'll admit the hair possibly on the face of it be discounted. But the blood stain is a very different beast.

How and by what scientific process does dry blood fall off and soak into a different garment? How does that happen?
 
dirtydog said:
Clearly there is a doubt as to the 100% validity of the new forensic findings.

Given that this is the ONLY evidence upon which they have been convicted, the convictions must be considered unsafe by any reasonable person, I submit.
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Then no doubt they will be released on appeal.
 
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