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How much improvement in a 3-generation leap?

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Current system in my sig. Running Vista x64. Thinking of going for a 7000 series card with 1.5 - 2 GB RAM. Just wondering if it's worth it without a full system upgrade, and how much benefit you think I'd see if I only upgraded the graphics card.

Also considering waiting for the mid range of the 7000 series and getting one of those for an interim upgrade to get another year or two out of my current rig before a full upgrade. I assume a mid-range 7000 would still beat my 4870 by a fair margin?

Any thoughts/recommendations?
 
You would see a improvement over the 4870 for sure, but i think that Dual Core may hold you back in some of todays more demanding games.
 
I suspect you're right there. At the time it seemed sensible to buy a faster dual core than slower quad because most apps/games were single threaded back then. It's served me quite well but if its time is up then I'll be prepared to put it out of its misery. :)
 
Sell up shop, and go for a new system. Lagging around on DDR2 and 775 isn't going to last forever and theres no point to keep patching it up imo :P
 
I suspect you're right there. At the time it seemed sensible to buy a faster dual core than slower quad because most apps/games were single threaded back then. It's served me quite well but if its time is up then I'll be prepared to put it out of its misery. :)

Yep i remember saying/thinking the same thing myself at the time.

I even remember posting on a cricket forum (dont ask:p) saying that quad cores would never become popular while there are so few games out that use all the cores. :o
 
To be fair it isn't most games even BF3 don't really see much if any increase over 2 cores.

Yeah that may be the case with bf3, wasn't with bf2 though. That game loved Ghz and Quads.

I don't play many games, but i noticed a huge jump in fps and smoothness going from a Q9500 @3.6ghz to an i5 [email protected]. I'm sure he would notice double what i did coming from a 3ghz dual. (i assume its around a 3ghz+ dual)
 
Ive just put my e8400 to rest as its served me well for 3-4yrs.

I can even remember when some ppl went back to dual cpu from quad, as a higher clocked
dual was much better then a lower clocked quad. As back then quad cpu's couldnt clock anywhere as high as the dual cpu
 
Yeah that may be the case with bf3, wasn't with bf2 though. That game loved Ghz and Quads.

I don't play many games, but i noticed a huge jump in fps and smoothness going from a Q9500 @3.6ghz to an i5 [email protected]. I'm sure he would notice double what i did coming from a 3ghz dual. (i assume its around a 3ghz+ dual)

I havent noticed a huge boost in fps coming from a [email protected] to a i5 [email protected], But even tho the fps are not much higher, games run better, if that makes sense.
 
But If your going to upgrade you gpu at the same time, you should notice a nice boost in fps. But I never upgraded my gpu, so the boost wasnt so much of a wow factor for games that everybody was telling me it was going to be.
 
Thanks for the input everyone.

I'm currently worried about how Skyim will perform on my system. On the monitor I use I'd want to run at the full 1680x1050 resolution with all the bells and whistles on.

Might hold off for a couple of months to let the 7000 series settle in, and get a whole new system. That should give me enough time to research all the other components I'll need. I'm way behind in terms of familiarity when it comes to CPUs, chipsets etc.
 
I havent noticed a huge boost in fps coming from a [email protected] to a i5 [email protected], But even tho the fps are not much higher, games run better, if that makes sense.

It does make sense. Minimum frame rates are what makes games enjoyable, not maximum as a lot of people think ;)

Yep this is what i meant, the minimum fps improved so much it really felt like i had got huge gains when in reality all that probably happened was my minimum fps doubled or tripled.
 
Depends what you want to do really and how much you want to spend.

As far as I can tell you have a 22" screen, assuming 1680x1050, a 7970, really a 6970-50 would be overkill, I wouldn't really go over, right now, a 6870 or 1gb 560ti for the £150 mark.

If you wanted to get a 24" screen then some slightly faster cards might become more worthwhile, they might not.

I wouldn't pair a 6950 up with a dual core, full stop, but a heavily overclocked dual core (which is easy to do) is still a more than viable option for many games, only a few games will seriously struggle without quad core, most won't, not optimal performance but not bad.

Again its a case of what you want to spend.

If you want to do a full upgrade, a £150 24" screen, a £200 gpu, and a second hand Q6600 would probably work pretty well.

A q6600 will do pretty damn well in most games, again really only if overclocked, but most do 3.3-3.5Ghz easily and are pretty damn cheap second hand.

if going new and higher end, you'd want to realistically either go AM3+ mobo and a phenom 2 quad core for as cheap as possible(some of the dual cores for cheaper unlock to quad cores to save even more cash), or if you go Intel there really isn't much point buying anything below a 2500k at £155.... and AMD quad core IS much slower but it's way more than enough for gaming, and you'd be looking at closer to £80.

There is frankly a lot of options depending on your budget and where you want to go.

ultimately, most on gpu least you can get away with on cpu/mobo tends to work best for gaming as GPU is easily the most important. however again at what is now a lower res, a top end GPU will be a waste.

If money is tight, I'd consider a 560ti/6870 for now, then when you can upgrade the screen, those gpu's will still do 1920x1080 fine, just maybe without AA all the time and occasionally lower settings. Then in the future you can add in a new cpu/mobo when games really start to need a bit more CPU power.
 
Thanks for the input everyone.

I'm currently worried about how Skyim will perform on my system. On the monitor I use I'd want to run at the full 1680x1050 resolution with all the bells and whistles on.

Might hold off for a couple of months to let the 7000 series settle in, and get a whole new system. That should give me enough time to research all the other components I'll need. I'm way behind in terms of familiarity when it comes to CPUs, chipsets etc.


Well my system (sys in sig) automatically sets everything on maximum and thats with a res of 1920x1200 and runs near enough 60fps all the time in Skyrim. When I had my e8400 I had the graphics set medium to high at 1920x1200 with my ati 6950 and it ran plenty smooth enough to play.
 
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Thanks for the input everyone.

I'm currently worried about how Skyim will perform on my system. On the monitor I use I'd want to run at the full 1680x1050 resolution with all the bells and whistles on.

Might hold off for a couple of months to let the 7000 series settle in, and get a whole new system. That should give me enough time to research all the other components I'll need. I'm way behind in terms of familiarity when it comes to CPUs, chipsets etc.

just thought id throw my two pences worth in,skyrim runs super smooth on my other board p6x58d-e+i7 920 and a 5870 graphic card,both are at stock clocks and thats at 1920x1080 all maxed settings,so a new sb or wait for ivy bridge would be more than enough
 
Interesting... so as I'm not too bothered about increasing my screen size (and therefore my resolution) yet then the 7000 series would be a waste...? Sounds like a deciding factor then. I'll get a 6850/70 instead.
 
Interesting... so as I'm not too bothered about increasing my screen size (and therefore my resolution) yet then the 7000 series would be a waste...? Sounds like a deciding factor then. I'll get a 6850/70 instead.

You shouldnt have any probs playing Skyrim with your e8400 and a 6950/70 mate;) I feel I may up upgraded my e8400 a tad too soon even,, as I think I could have got another 6months out of it or more.
 
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Interesting... so as I'm not too bothered about increasing my screen size (and therefore my resolution) yet then the 7000 series would be a waste...? Sounds like a deciding factor then. I'll get a 6850/70 instead.

i would wait for the 7k series to come out,prices of the 6k series will drop and maybe even buy good quality used card? seeing most folks will be upgrading,then test it with your current setup,might be fine

if not then you can always upgrade to sb/ivy
 
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