Don't get mad. Feel sorry for them. Individuals without the conviction,strength or intelligence to work the world out for themselves or question the Bible. I don't like it but hey 'the world is full of morons', as jesus himself quoted. Fact.
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Ok following you so far.
Yup, still following.
Hang on, where's this coming from?
To be clearer (and ignoring the fact that I don't believe the Adam and Eve story to be literally true) there's nothing in the Bible that would disagree with evolution. Hence why only nut job Christians don't believe in it.
I thought the story of Adam and Eve was to be taken metaphorically? I.e temptation.
Please tell me you don't believe the entire human race stemmed from 1 couple, who lived in a garden with a talking snake?
Many things in the Bible would be absurd were it not for one thing: belief in the Bible implies the belief in God.
A being so powerful, he created the laws of existence we all have to abide by.
If you believe in a being of such immense power as this, then what's so unbelievable about all humans being descended from two?
Surely you can appreciate the logic here, even if it is perverse logic to you. If God exists, then anything he wants to happen will happen. Doesn't matter if we couldn't replicate it on Earth at the present time with our current level of knowledge, science and technology.
Nothing is impossible for an all-powerful Creator.
In many cases there is nothing to feel sorry for. Religious people can be happy people too, you know! Sure, feel sorry for those who are taken advantage of by unscrupulous people in the name of religion. Feel sorry for those who are taken for a ride and drained of their money *cough*scientology*cough*
But for your average person who believes in God, what harm does it do them? Not all religious people are Amish
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Well, that's just terrifically convenient.
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At the end of the day, whether you believe in evolution or creation, we still have the small matter of not understanding where all the energy and matter in the universe came from.
Nite: can you point me in the direction of the fossils you are referring to - the ones which you claim discredit creationism? It would be nice to know what you're talking about.
Unless of course you're just here to post one-liners?
Apart from the fact we have a variety of different theories that can explain how our universe managed to come into existence, out of nothing. None of which require the invocation of a deity.
Preorder this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/A-Universe-...0TZC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1325807457&sr=8-2
I would have thought it could potentially answer a lot of your questions.
Preorder this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/A-Universe-...0TZC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1325807457&sr=8-2
I would have thought it could potentially answer a lot of your questions.
No, you want to convince me/us, you read the book, and give me/us the abridged version. Demonstrate your knowledge.
Besides, don't the laws of conservation of energy require that energy cannot be created? That the total amount of energy in the universe cannot change? Or is that out-dated now?
Otherwise all those free energy designs that we all love to mock are totally viable. So where did energy come from? It was always there? Why?
But look, I'm not wasting my money on a book written by a confirmed atheist, with Richard Dawkins providing the afterword for him. You can ready it, and you can summarise it here, if that is you have read it.
Besides, don't the laws of conservation of energy require that energy cannot be created? That the total amount of energy in the universe cannot change? Or is that out-dated now?
Otherwise all those free energy designs that we all love to mock are totally viable. So where did energy come from? It was always there? Why?
But look, I'm not wasting my money on a book written by a confirmed atheist, with Richard Dawkins providing the afterword for him. You can ready it, and you can summarise it here, if that is you have read it.
Well if dark matter/energy is true, then the total net sum of mass and energy is zero.
The problem here is why would you believe the bible to be true when it can't even remain accurate?
I don't want to convince you, I couldn't care less what you believe. But you stated something that's factually incorrect, as we do, in fact, have some understanding of where all the energy and matter in the universe came from. I thought you might be up for having a go at that intellectual pursuit of challenging one's own belief(s), obviously I was mistaken.
I'm looking at my TV which is made of matter and uses energy. And yet its constituent parts are supposed to have emerged from nothing, because of dark matter? Which itself came about from nothing?
What about before dark matter existed? Or does dark matter technically not exist? I won't claim to even slightly understand these theories. Perhaps you do.
Atoms, quarks, dark matter, energy... no matter how we define the building blocks of our universe, don't we still face the question of how they got here?
Surely you can't split nothing into two lots of something? -something and +something?
Yes, 0 = -1 + 1. But that is just math. Math can do whatever it wants. I know I'm not explaining this very well, but just because you can write an equation doesn't mean I can take a whole lot nothing and build two TVs out of it. One dark matter TV and one normal TV...
And, erm, another thing. If you can make dark matter plus an equal amount of matter from nothing, doesn't that mean we have infinite matter and infinite energy to play with? Again, I don't understand what I'm talking about, so feel free to explain this in words I'd understand
Well, do some research on that and report back. You have asked the right question, now you just need to find the correct answer.
Meh, we can all play that game. I thought you might be up for sharing some of the things you've learned with the rest of us, but obviously I was mistaken.
See, it's a crap game, isn't it. Wouldn't it be much nicer if we were all polite to each other?
Well, do some research on that and report back. You have asked the right question, now you just need to find the correct answer.
Yeah but here's a thought experiment for you.
If we can split nothing into dark matter and ordinary matter, and we *truly* started with nothing, then....
Nothing must hold the potential to be *anything*. Therefore, you should be able to split nothing into whatever we can conceive. New kinds of matter. New kinds of energy. Literally anything.
If we can make something out of nothing, then doesn't logic dictate we should be able to make anything out of nothing?
Make sense?
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If that's what you believe, then good for you, I won't try to change your mind.
Something I've never understood about the concept of creationism though; where did God come from? How was he created?
Personally I believe in evolution, the big bang, and ultimately science. I'd like to believe there was a higher being, but until there's proof then I'm sticking with my mates Einstein, Newton and Hawkings. FYI I was raised a Christian and went to a strict catholic school, so I'd like to think I've come to this conclusion from free thought, not bias.
I consider the bible a set of metaphorical stories/fables to teach people a set of principles, that got taken literally at some point.
No, it would be much nicer if everybody was honest to one another, and just told the truth. You said that I wanted to convince you, which is not true. I simply wanted you to read something, and challenge your beliefs. Pretty easy.
Well, you might not know it but you have actually touched on something brilliant there.
If you don't want to read the book, at least watch the lecture:
And if you don't like it because it has something to do with Richard Dawkins, first of all watch it anyway, and second of all, Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow have written a book espousing much the same idea (which you should also read).
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