Still no 2560x1440 120hz displays?

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It seems like monitor technology has ground to a halt over the last few years, are there really no decent monitors with a higher resolution than 1920x1200?

I have a Benq XL2410T and whilst its great to have 120hz @ 2ms its a bit of a step down in some ways from my old Benq FP241W and I find myself wishing that I had a screen just a little bit larger but with IPS colour depth and retaining the TN response time and refresh rates.
 
Sorry I am just used to 120hz when gaming now, I really do notice the difference on a 60hz screen.

Maybe I should check out some of the newer IPS panels that have very low response times, are Hazro the best right now (2560x 27/30 inch)?
 
Well, i've done a lot of searching and i'll answer my own question for everyone else who might read this.

No screens exist that can achieve 2560x1440 with > 60hz.

DVI is not capable of 2560x1440 > 60hz.
HDMI is but only as of version 1.4
DisplayPort should be fine.

You can have IPS/PLS at > 1920x1080 res but at 60hz (screens likely to be 27", 30")
OR
You can have TN at 1920x1080 120hz max but you get the nasty colour depth and viewing angles inherent to TN panels.

Basically.... display technology has been pretty stagnant since 2007 and there is no win/win no matter what you are willing to spend :(
 
smarshallsay said:
Basically.... display technology has been pretty stagnant since 2007 and there is no win/win no matter what you are willing to spend :(
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What a ridiculous and myopic statement followed by an unfortunate truth. ;) There is a lot more to a monitor than the combination of resolution and refresh rate. For a start the average screen size in 2007 was 20 inches and models with your beloved 120Hz refresh rate were non-existant. Today there is a huge range of affordable 23", 24" and even 27" monitors with energy-efficient LED backlights and underlying TN panel technology that is superior to anything circa 2007. I am not making a link between the the elements there, just stating that things have moved on in terms of size, backlight, panel thickness, contrast, colour and pixel performance. And IPS technology has also undergone a transformation. You can now get affordable 22", 23 and 24" E-IPS panel monitors which (alongside newer IPS panels in general) are much more responsive than your old IPS panel monitors with lower input lag and effective pixel overdrive circuits - and superior contrast. These improvements have also carried over to the 27" models which also feature WQHD resolutions and of course IPS panels (compared to the 1920 x 1200 PVAs in 2007).

It is also quite short-sighted to state that TN panel monitors have 'nasty colour depth issues'. If you are referring technicially to colour depth being 6-bit plus AFRC dithering then yes it's an issue - but not necessarily a nasty one and not one restricted to TN panel technology. Modern E-IPS panel monitors share this colour depth - but modern dithering algorithms are so good that people were shocked to learn of this as the difference in practice (unless you are manipulating colour gradients and suchlike) is marginal. If you are referring to visible 'depth' this has more to do with colour gamut, gamma and screen surface than panel technology.

There has been recent demand for 120hz monitors with alternative panel types (VA and IPS). The current technology isn't quite there to make the most of that refresh rate but the manufacturers are listening. There is, though, very little demand for 2560 x 1440 120Hz monitors regardless of panel type. Economic viability aside you would need an incredible amount of GPU horsepower to run a good range of new game titles (with good eye candy) at that kind of resolution. I know it is possible, but again the market becomes even more niche.
 
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Sorry - it is really nothing personal. It might have come across that way. I do understand the frustration that you are looking for something which doesn't exist yet and are having to work through compromises. But I keep a very watchful eye on how monitor technology moves on so needed to set this straight by explaining that the technology has been far from 'stagnant since 2007'.
 
dont panic. screen tech has advanced massively just check out an old lcd panel from 5 years ago, the motion blur is horrid, the colours are weak,the contrast is poor, the backlight clouding is terrible, there is banding, lower res than 1080p, the cost at the time was the same for a 17" 4:3 as a 27" LED 1080p 16:9 now and you even get more inputs,speakers

so yes there is a glut of 24"-27" TN panelled displays at 60hz or 120hhz but overall the experience is still miles ahead

so why should you not worry? well you dont always need 120hz to make things fluid, id imagine the biggest problem for lcd is still ghosting and with an effective overdrive circuit combined with new panel technologies this is reducing (i belive VA or MVA ghost less but dont quote me)

this year we have PLS tablet screen technology @ 1440p from samsung and at 27" . We have ocuk selling amazing IPS 1440p screens at 27" for peanuts. there is definatley an increase in 1440p for 27" models and this is growing a lot !! thank god as 1080p is too low for a monitor at that size.

also most things are like 16:9 and 1080p were driven from the home cinema / tv market and so it will continue as the push for 4k cinema is happening ! try running games at that res! ((the cynic in me acknowledges the steady increase in blueray archiving and internet copying so the extra storage required for 4k would keep the studios happy for quite a few more years))

toshiba, lg are releasing uber res 4k tv`s. Apple is launching apple retina resolution standard for monitor,tablet,phone! at beyond 1600p and @ 16:10 so this will invariably mean ocuk will stock a hazro retina display next year :D

seriously, 120hz is not the be all and end all imo. as an example one of my displays is a projector and it can run 60hz or 85hz in either mode its smooth and clear when running, its a DLP and doesnt suffer from image ghosting or line resolution drop on fast pans, so its the screen tech not always the refresh that counts.
 
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Also if you're wanting a 2560x1440 @ 120Hz and possibly 3D then you would probably need an arsenal of graphics cards to run at high quality settings. Monitor technology is also limited by its graphics card counterparts and like other said before technology has advanced a fair bit but only made subtle changes to increase the performance on already existing array of screens, I think with OLED and other new technologies such as 3D with no glasses is where the next milestone is that even if that is still years away.

Personally all i want is High Resolution @ 60Hz with insane quality, 120Hz is very good but personally isn't worth investing in unless you can play any game at 120fps constantly.
 
Razargh said:
Also if you're wanting a 2560x1440 @ 120Hz and possibly 3D then you would probably need an arsenal of graphics cards to run at high quality settings. Monitor technology is also limited by its graphics card counterparts and like other said before technology has advanced a fair bit but only made subtle changes to increase the performance on already existing array of screens, I think with OLED and other new technologies such as 3D with no glasses is where the next milestone is that even if that is still years away.

Personally all i want is High Resolution @ 60Hz with insane quality, 120Hz is very good but personally isn't worth investing in unless you can play any game at 120fps constantly.
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I used to think i only wanted 60fps too but now i've had a 120hz screen and used it for an extended period i'm just not sure i can go back. It IS smoother. I enjoy playing a lot of FPS games as well as other game types and I do notice the lower FPS with all that action going on.

As for an array of graphics cards, I'm lucky enough to have a well paying job and I enjoy spending my money on having as powerful a PC as possible. Within reason if there is a solution even if quite expensive, I am willing to pay for it.
 
phill1978 said:
dont panic. screen tech has advanced massively just check out an old lcd panel from 5 years ago, the motion blur is horrid, the colours are weak,the contrast is poor, the backlight clouding is terrible, there is banding, lower res than 1080p, the cost at the time was the same for a 17" 4:3 as a 27" LED 1080p 16:9 now and you even get more inputs,speakers

so yes there is a glut of 24"-27" TN panelled displays at 60hz or 120hhz but overall the experience is still miles ahead

so why should you not worry? well you dont always need 120hz to make things fluid, id imagine the biggest problem for lcd is still ghosting and with an effective overdrive circuit combined with new panel technologies this is reducing (i belive VA or MVA ghost less but dont quote me)

this year we have PLS tablet screen technology @ 1440p from samsung and at 27" . We have ocuk selling amazing IPS 1440p screens at 27" for peanuts. there is definatley an increase in 1440p for 27" models and this is growing a lot !! thank god as 1080p is too low for a monitor at that size.

also most things are like 16:9 and 1080p were driven from the home cinema / tv market and so it will continue as the push for 4k cinema is happening ! try running games at that res! ((the cynic in me acknowledges the steady increase in blueray archiving and internet copying so the extra storage required for 4k would keep the studios happy for quite a few more years))

toshiba, lg are releasing uber res 4k tv`s. Apple is launching apple retina resolution standard for monitor,tablet,phone! at beyond 1600p and @ 16:10 so this will invariably mean ocuk will stock a hazro retina display next year :D

seriously, 120hz is not the be all and end all imo. as an example one of my displays is a projector and it can run 60hz or 85hz in either mode its smooth and clear when running, its a DLP and doesnt suffer from image ghosting or line resolution drop on fast pans, so its the screen tech not always the refresh that counts.
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Thanks for this, it does reassure me a little. The Samsung is one of the displays I was looking at.

I have 2x 24" at the moment, the only reason I have not gone higher is because I don't want my image stretched across another 3 inches and I was under the impression that I would need to keep my 120hz or I would really notice it was gone.

What you say about overdrive and ghosting has struck a cord however, in some ways I do still really miss my CRT screens, maybe the PLS really is a good step in the right direction? They seem to like it for gaming here - http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...ncmaster-27a850d-27-pls-monitor-review-8.html

PCM2 - Do you have anything to add in regards to gaming with these monitors (750/850/950) how is the input lag and ghosting for all three? (I notice you posted that you have tested these elsewhere on the forums.)

EDIT: Oh, I see that the 950 is a 1920x1080 so thats a no go
 
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PCM2 - Do you have anything to add in regards to gaming with these monitors (750/850/950) how is the input lag and ghosting for all three? (I notice you posted that you have tested these elsewhere on the forums.)

EDIT: Oh, I see that the 950 is a 1920x1080 so thats a no go
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The S27A750D and S27A950D are designed for gaming at 120Hz, so a 1920 x 1080 resolution makes sense. They are exceptionally responsive with very low input lag. As for the S27A850D and how it fairs in games - type 'samsung s27a850d review' into Google and look at the fourth result down (just below the 'shopping results'). It has moderate input lag (not as low as the SA750 and SA950 series monitors) which may or may not be a problem - that's subjective. The overall pixel responsiveness is similar to the U2711 and Hazro HZ27WC which is much more broadly discussed if you want to have a think about how it would react. I know it states in the review that the SA850 is perhaps a little weaker than those but that is a relatively subtle difference that obsessive people like myself would notice but most users wouldn't.
 
I think VA 120hz panels at both 1080 and 1440p have been confirmed as being planned for release in consumer products this year. I'd assume the launch of both of those will mean TN 1440p @ 120hz will also appear.

There were some mutterings of REAL 120hz IPS turning up at some point this year. Still no panels (let alone products) announced yet, though.

Basically, nothing yet, but there will be something this year. I'd guess not before Q3 however. If they were going to be launched H1, they'd most probably have been at CES, which they weren't.
 
pmc25 said:
I think VA 120hz panels at both 1080 and 1440p have been confirmed as being planned for release in consumer products this year. I'd assume the launch of both of those will mean TN 1440p @ 120hz will also appear.

There were some mutterings of REAL 120hz IPS turning up at some point this year. Still no panels (let alone products) announced yet, though.

Basically, nothing yet, but there will be something this year. I'd guess not before Q3 however. If they were going to be launched H1, they'd most probably have been at CES, which they weren't.
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Thankyou, this gives me hope, at least :)
 
Over at Sweclockers, there was a article a few weeks ago about new 27-inch monitors with a resolution of 2560 x 1440 pixels (16:9),and IPS at 120 Hz. coming later this year.
 
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