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HD 6990 Trifire/Quadfire - any issues?

Before this turns into an all out ding dong then allow me to post you a couple of links. Please read them, and then sit down and have a think.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/hd7970_quadfire_eyefinity_review/7

Batman Arkham City

Our first actual gameplay test and our fears about the optimisation of Arkham City are confirmed. Our two extra cards do nothing at all in Eyefinity when compared to the dual setup.


OK? that cool with you? And.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/hd7970_quadfire_eyefinity_review/8

Crysis 2

Crysis 2, until now a game that perfectly scales with the amount of hardware available, has no improvement at all from the Quadfire. We did say it was just for benchmarks.


OK? we square there also?

And it just goes on. Two GPUs is bad enough. Adding another one is completely and utterly and totally pointless.

Quite simply as the games you run do not support it.

It's incredibly expensive, for little to no gains other than bragging rights in a benchmark, and at no point should it ever EVER EVER EVER be considered for actually sitting down and gaming on because 90% of the time it does nothing apart from heat your room and cause you issues.

And that's it. There's nothing left to discuss.
Again with the condescending nonsense, what's that about :confused:

So you've referred to two of the five games they featured in that review, that were for a brand new card only released today with beta/preview drivers. I could pick two of the other games to copy/paste quotes from:

AvP: "we once again see over 100% extra performance from doubling the amount of cards when compared to the dual Crossfire test"

Witcher 2: "The Witcher 2 doesn't actually put any display on the two extra screens in Eyefinity. However it definitely takes advantage of our Quadfire set up"
 
Chalk me up as another 6990+6970 user.

As said already Trifire is the sweet spot. I tried Quadfire (6990+6970+6970) and it seemed flakey with little or no performance boost. It actually became more choppier on my system for reasons I can't explain other than driver issues.

Trifire made an appreciable difference in FPS in BF3 (2560x1600 on Ultra), though the 6990 is louder than I'd like it to be.
 
Again with the condescending nonsense, what's that about :confused:

So you've referred to two of the five games they featured in that review, that were for a brand new card only released today with beta/preview drivers. I could pick two of the other games to copy/paste quotes from:

AvP: "we once again see over 100% extra performance from doubling the amount of cards when compared to the dual Crossfire test"

Witcher 2: "The Witcher 2 doesn't actually put any display on the two extra screens in Eyefinity. However it definitely takes advantage of our Quadfire set up"

I fail to see why posting facts on the subject being discussed is condescending.

Firstly let me answer what you have posted above.

1. In every game tested one single card was more than enough for any one.

Meaning, your argument was pointless before you even started it.

2. Adding FPS to a game that you can not see is pointless.

3. If even one game failed to take full advantage of every last GPU you give it then it is not worth doing. Why? quite simply the price.

Using the question posed in this thread as an example - adding a 6970 to a 6990 will add more FPS in some - noting the word some games. However, a 6990 when working and running in a game that supports it is already massive overkill.

So that means that next up would probably be resolution. 85% of gamers on Steam run 1080p. The rest are listed as "Other". However, your argument doesn't even contain 15% because "other" covers resolutions such as 1900x1200, 1680x1050, 1440x900 and 1366x720. Thus, after running several polls across several forums it seems that about 3% of people ran 1600p and 1% ran Eyefinity or Surround.

That is already limiting the use of one 6990 to practically none. Ask around of those 6990 users and most of them are running 1080p.

For a good gaming experience Vsync should be enabled. If not you will be subjected to tearing and so on. And oddly, it's mainly users of these 3 or 4 GPU set ups that can't even see the tearing.

Why is that? because they're spending most of their time messing around and not actually playing the games. When running multiple GPUs Vsync is absolutely crucial as it assists in synchronising the graphics processors in order for them to do the task of drawing opposing lines and pixels more seemlessly. Do you understand how multiple GPUs work?

SLI and Crossfire are nothing new. SLI was being used by 3DFX back in 1998 and even before. And, it was inevitably their downfall because they insisted on using it and all the while they were getting their butts kicked by Nvidia who were sensibly using one GPU.

The reason was simple. It was mainstream, it was cheaper, and it worked. Adding more GPUs simply added headaches as you then had to ask the people responsible for coding the games to add support for it. And, just like now most of them can't be bothered.

If you still refuse to listen to sense, and insist on using SLI and Crossfire then at least admit the true reasons for it.

Because there isn't a single argument in its favour unless you are forced to use it (like Nvidia surround). At that point you subject yourself (like I have, and why I am now trying to sell my 295s) to all sorts of issues because the world doesn't revolve around you no matter how much money you spend.

That doesn't make me condescending, a troll or anything else. It simply makes me some one who is trying to talk some sense.
 
Holy ****, I have been looking to upgrade my GPU setup over the past month & being quite an indecisive person, I've weighed up many options. Crossfire definitely caught my eye as it seems like a cheaper solution when it works, but since reading the posts in here I am seriously considering ditching the idea. I'd like to think Crossfire has come a long way since buying my 4870, & that I'd be stepping into a problem free(ish) market but now I'm not so sure. I planned to buy x2 6850's for around £200 which I thought would give the best performance vs. money, I spent money on a Crossfire enable motherboard etc, I'm itching to try it?
 
I fail to see why posting facts on the subject being discussed is condescending.
:rolleyes:

1. In every game tested one single card was more than enough for any one.
Meaning, your argument was pointless before you even started it.
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I don't see that 21fps (batman) and 29fps (crysis 2) is 'more than enough' personally

2. Adding FPS to a game that you can not see is pointless.
I don't agree. Games like BF3 feel much smoother with 100fps over say 50fps. Although you may not be able to 'see' it, it is definitely noticeable. If that isn't true then professional/competitive gamers would not increase the max fps for games like COD and CS.

3. If even one game failed to take full advantage of every last GPU you give it then it is not worth doing. Why? quite simply the price.
Depends on the games you're playing and weighing the positives and negatives against price. It isn't a black and white answer.

Using the question posed in this thread as an example - adding a 6970 to a 6990 will add more FPS in some - noting the word some games. However, a 6990 when working and running in a game that supports it is already massive overkill.
Again, isn't massive overkill. Try running BF3 on one 6990 at 5760x1200 with max settings and then tell me its overkill. This is the reason I have quadfire. +100% increase for someone that mainly plays BF3. Perfect.

So that means that next up would probably be resolution. 85% of gamers on Steam run 1080p. The rest are listed as "Other". However, your argument doesn't even contain 15% because "other" covers resolutions such as 1900x1200, 1680x1050, 1440x900 and 1366x720. Thus, after running several polls across several forums it seems that about 3% of people ran 1600p and 1% ran Eyefinity or Surround.

That is already limiting the use of one 6990 to practically none. Ask around of those 6990 users and most of them are running 1080p.
I don't understand what the steam hardware survey has got to do with this. Agreed if people are buying quadfire 6990's to run on low res monitors then they're wasting their money, but that is up to them. 'My argument' as you keep calling it never mentioned low resolution monitors at all, neither did I say that quadfire 6990s will bring benefits and all resolutions.

For a good gaming experience Vsync should be enabled. If not you will be subjected to tearing and so on. And oddly, it's mainly users of these 3 or 4 GPU set ups that can't even see the tearing.

Why is that? because they're spending most of their time messing around and not actually playing the games. When running multiple GPUs Vsync is absolutely crucial as it assists in synchronising the graphics processors in order for them to do the task of drawing opposing lines and pixels more seemlessly. Do you understand how multiple GPUs work?
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On the contrary, I disable vsync for a good gaming experience. It introduces input lag, as the frame is rendered and held in the frame buffer waiting for a screen refresh, those nano/milliseconds are a delay between your input and what is displayed on the screen.

Do I understand how multiple GPUs work. Absolutely, yet clearly you do not as 'drawing opposing lines' is scan line interleave, last used more than 10 years ago. Drawing opposing pixels has NEVER been implemented. I suggest you read up on how AFR, SFR, PR and other multi-gpu implementations work before suggesting that you know more than others about said technologies.

SLI and Crossfire are nothing new. SLI was being used by 3DFX back in 1998 and even before. And, it was inevitably their downfall because they insisted on using it and all the while they were getting their butts kicked by Nvidia who were sensibly using one GPU.

The reason was simple. It was mainstream, it was cheaper, and it worked. Adding more GPUs simply added headaches as you then had to ask the people responsible for coding the games to add support for it. And, just like now most of them can't be bothered.
Again, I'd suggest reading up on the history of 3Dfx, SLI (scan line interleave as it was back then) DESTROYED everything at the time in terms of performance and was limited by CPUs and cost. Nvidia didn't catch up until later.

If you still refuse to listen to sense, and insist on using SLI and Crossfire then at least admit the true reasons for it.

Because there isn't a single argument in its favour unless you are forced to use it (like Nvidia surround). At that point you subject yourself (like I have, and why I am now trying to sell my 295s) to all sorts of issues because the world doesn't revolve around you no matter how much money you spend.

That doesn't make me condescending, a troll or anything else. It simply makes me some one who is trying to talk some sense.
Brilliant :D
 
I cba responding. Take your views and hold on to them. Those that have trifire (whether 1% or 99% of gamers) love it, otherwise they wouldn't have it!

Two words: Battlefield Three! End of.

@ OP, enjoy whatever decision you make :)
 
Again, I'd suggest reading up on the history of 3Dfx, SLI (scan line interleave as it was back then) DESTROYED everything at the time in terms of performance and was limited by CPUs and cost. Nvidia didn't catch up until later.

Given that your argument seems to be about posting the most I won't bother responding to most of it. It's clear that we differ in opinions, with me basically being on the majority side of the argument. Plus, I wouldn't want to fall into the trap of insulting you and receiving another two day break.

I have been writing hardware and software reviews for closing in on 25 years, so with a very good understanding of what it takes to get a game to the screen there's no point in going on about it. At the end of the day you can go on and on as much as you like but it doesn't change reality.

Going back to that reality, whilst your comment above fills me with a warm fondness for days passed I would ask you one question.

Where are 3DFX now?

Oh yeah, they went bankrupt !.

Good thing you weren't Nvidia's CEO eh? or they'd have gone down the proverbial swanny also.

That's gold.

"3DFX were amazing and awesome and so on, but went bankrupt when they lost to Nvidia".
 
Brilliant :D So no response as to why you basically accused me of not understanding current multi-gpu technologies, then spouted absolute garbage about 'drawing opposing lines and pixels', SLI technology from the 90's.

Also if you read my post, at no point did I say 3Dfx were awesome. Putting words in my mouth then arguing against them is basically arguing with yourself, which is a bit special.

Well myself and Badboy seem happy enough with our setups, so if we're the only two then so be it! :)
 
I think he is at that time of the month, L33. Don't worry about it. I love my setup, as I am sure you do and I will continue to praise it to others :)

BTW, I am thinking of quadfire over trifire. Would you recommend it? What heaven score do you get? I could sell my 6970 and put around £200 to another 6990. Just not sure :)
 
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Forgive the arrogance :D Does adding another gpu make games look better? I've been playing BF3 on a 560 ti on high settings and it looks awesome. This is pretty much the first game I've played on pc and used to play on consoles (probably why it looks awesome to me :p). From what I've read, adding another gpu increases your fps? Surely 50-60ish fps is enough?

I get 50-60 fps in BF3 and all of the components in my pc are mid-ranged and are not overclocked.
 
Forgive the arrogance :D Does adding another gpu make games look better? I've been playing BF3 on a 560 ti on high settings and it looks awesome. This is pretty much the first game I've played on pc and used to play on consoles (probably why it looks awesome to me :p). From what I've read, adding another gpu increases your fps? Surely 50-60ish fps is enough?

I get 50-60 fps in BF3 and all of the components in my pc are mid-ranged and are not overclocked.

NO IT'S NOT ENOUGH GHAAALLL

YOU NEED MOAR GPUS. :D
 
I use quad and trifire, most of the time i just run 6990/6970 this is with eyefinity as most games have problems running 4gpus with eyefinitey in my experience.. anyway the trifire runs perfect and gives a massive jump in fps over crossfire, the only game i have used with quad that would make a massive difference in performance is Hard Reset, this games will run OK at max settings 5760x1200 but you get a very small amount of screen to mouse lag, but soon as i put the 4th card in, BANG 130fps steady and super smooth, i wish this would work for COD/BF2 & BF3 but it only works on tri for me, a 4th card reduces the fps.

Anyway on a single display trifire is the sweet spot i think, never had any problems its just super smooth..
 
Chalk me up as another 6990+6970 user.

As said already Trifire is the sweet spot. I tried Quadfire (6990+6970+6970) and it seemed flakey with little or no performance boost. It actually became more choppier on my system for reasons I can't explain other than driver issues.

Trifire made an appreciable difference in FPS in BF3 (2560x1600 on Ultra), though the 6990 is louder than I'd like it to be.


This will shut your 6990 up, best thing i ever did for it, had to remove my 3rd card so i could fit this in with a artic plus2 cooler on my 6970.. the PC is silent now,, :)

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...oling-accelero-twin-turbo-6990-1047751/review
 
I will not use mixed version CF configs.

Its either 3x5870 4x5870 2x5970, you never have to worry about what goes in what slot first or the possibly of mixed combo's having issues all of their own.

But i can understand why most people would go for the 1x...+....x2 trifire combo for space.
 
So you are one of those who either chooses to ignore the tearing, or doesn't notice it?

Maybe you can enlighten me - i've had dual graphic card setups before I witnessed tearing (across the halfway of the monitor, side to side) but with the HD 6990, there has been no such issue. dual GPU cards > dual card setups in this regard?
 
So you are one of those who either chooses to ignore the tearing, or doesn't notice it?

tearing lol ive been to hell and back trying to get rid, after lots of testing, the 6990 with 3 DP ports all to DVI-D works for me 95% of the time if i ever find a game that has it just turn on vsync and its gone, my main problem was the NF200 chip on my Asrock board it just game me lines all over the place so i used a MSI P67 board with crossfire this also fixed the problem, now im on a Asus extreme IV x79 with no problems but the performace is the same as the P67 board really..
 
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