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Exactly - I'm fed up of hearing people band on about evolution as though it were fact, IT'S A THEORY
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Exactly - I'm fed up of hearing people band on about evolution as though it were fact, IT'S A THEORY
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No, it is a scientific theory. It is for all intents and purposes a fact just as much as our solar system having a star (the Sun) is a fact, or that the existence of mavity is a fact.
http://notjustatheory.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
Please stop being ignorant of the nuances involved in the term scientific theory, before using the word itself to try and lessen the weight of or dismiss evolution.
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Again, its not 100% fact...
He has presented data (which appears to have been published in a peer reviewed journal) which fundamentally shows the fusion of chromosomes in humans, I cannot argue with the facts he has presented in lecture. (I am purposely highlighting words for the next bit
)Fundamentally = Based on the experiments conducted
Facts = Nothing is ever fact, it is a probability based on the experiments that have been conducted, what about other possible experiments, what about the data omitted from these papers?.
I'm not going to go in to it anymore... Some people know where I am coming from, some don't. If you haven't then you are probably as ignorant as the creationists them selves (those who "100%" believe in creationism and a higher power etc...).
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Why bother? I always apply Hanlon's razor in these situations. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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View of all the major Christian faiths in this country.
1)God created the universe.
2)Evolution is a fact and doesn't conflict with 1
1)God created the universe.
2)Evolution is a fact and doesn't conflict with 1
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Nor is mavity, nor is the existence of the Sun, etc, etc.
However, for all intents and purposes, they are facts and so is evolution.
The only science that has any proof in it is Maths. How a car works it largely based on unprovable 'theory'.
It's very frustrating when people band about theory with such incorrect usage. The fact that something isn't 'proven' in this context means absolutely nothing.
It's very frustrating when people band about theory with such incorrect usage. The fact that something isn't 'proven' in this context means absolutely nothing.
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No. Religion is 'a collection of cultural systems, belief systems' (Wikipedia).
Nothing in science is 100% fact. Science is a process which asymptotically approaches fact, and beyond a certain point it is somewhat fatuous to say that it's anything other than fact, but that's a happy byproduct rather than the goal.
And even then, that is only based on incredibly low level axioms (i.e. assumptions). I remember seeing the "proof" that 1 + 1 = 2 on one of my maths teachers doors at school. Maths is weird.
If evolution is fact, why is it still called "theory of evolution"?
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There are certain things that are 100% facts, but they're usually relative and most definitely a minority. Things that have been directly measured with respect to observer frames of reference etc...
But of course, for the most part, you are correct.
Because you don't understand the concept of scientific theory, or the meaning of the word "fact", or how the two are inter-related.
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, READ THE LINKS:
http://notjustatheory.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
YOU'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND YOU'LL LIKE IT.
Lol....no doubt. I'm thinking about saving stock answers and pasting them to save time......in fact here is one I prepared earlier.......
Facts are as follows:
Evolution is the Scientific Theory that all living species are the related descendants of earlier species and that we all ultimately share a common ancestor and that this is driven by a mechanism called Natural Selection
It is not by definition a Religion as where Religion seeks to answer questions of Why, Evolution only seeks to answer questions of How. Neither is in direct competition with the other and can, depending on the individual and their particular interpretation of their particular belief system, complement each other.
Creationism is a theological position based on a largely erroneous and fringe interpretation of Biblical Genesis which attributes a literal historical value to Scripture.
It does not hold the same value as being an established fact. For a definition of what I mean:
A Scientific fact is when you can make a verifiable and objective observation that is repeatable by experimentation and is independent of the observer.
However Scientific fact is also liable to change and as such is not to be considered the same as absolute Truth (as some in this thread seem to think) and is to be considered an established fact...normally by experiment, observation, peer review and most importantly concensus.
Science by it's definition cannot give an objective absolute truth or certainty as the vernacular of fact would imply and is essentially the best guess although that best guess has a truth value applied to it by the experimentation, accreditation, peer review and consensus which implies a level of factual accuracy.
Evolution is a theory whereby various independent scientific facts are associated together to give a scientific theory, as oppposed to the vernacular theory which is more akin to a scientific hypothesis, to give a wider understanding of the relationship within nature of these scientific facts....hence Evolution is both a scientific theory and scientific fact.
In my humble opinion of course.....
I have one about the theological aspect too if you want..
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