Is it me or is anyo9ne else not that excited about the 7900 release

omle · 12 Jan 2012 at 12:40

lmo amd are playing it as any company do. you have the fastest, the best you can charge the most makes sence, even if we all hate the price they dont make them for the good of us its mainly for profit

but i really do believe they are playing it well just enough increase to be able to charge that price. also its known that there is a good amount of headroom for overclocking when kepler top end is released amd have say 6 months to iron out problems release a 7990 overclock the 7970 and have a good fight back at nvidia. all this while coining in top dollar for the card thats the fastest single gpu card as it stands. then they always then have the option for competing on bang per buck when the card is finally out done by nvidia a nice price drop would then come about all in all a win win imo.

im still tempted by both gtx580 and 7970 buy i will wait a month just to let some dust settle

hyperst · 12 Jan 2012 at 12:47

I really cannot justify spending more than £200 on any graphics card, the games available just do not require it and I cannot see that changing soon

Mr Krugga · 12 Jan 2012 at 12:54

GeForce GTX 480/470 and GTX 580/570 were priced at $499/349 on release.

If Nvidia keeps that trend going, I might just be swayed to get a card from them.

With the current market pricing that AMD has implemented, the equivalent to the second best Nvidia GPU would be HD 7890, and that is going to be too little of an improvement to warrant any upgrades.

I advise everyone to hold out until Kepler comes out or AMD releases their new cards with some major price drops. The 7970s are just not worth it at the moment.

varkanoid · 12 Jan 2012 at 12:59

hyperst said:
I really cannot justify spending more than £200 on any graphics card, the games available just do not require it and I cannot see that changing soon

Here Here. The thing is there is a cut off point where a faster card is not required.

IMHO the 7970 is not needed to play games at max.

so in my eyes £420 for a card I dont even need is ridiculous.

doesn't matter wheter AMD need to make a profit or not point is new graphics cards coming out now too fast if you like.

If Kepler is even faster than a 7970 then whats the point buying that ?

Its like buying a fast car that does 140mph when top speed on roads is 70mph.

You buy it because A) you can afford it, B) you want fastest possible

You dont really need it though.

This is the realm graphic cards are getting into. Most people would be happy with a suitable car, latest Mondeo*, cheaper and does what you need it to.
ie 6950/6970 GTI 560

*other suitable cars in same price range can be stated as an example.

Mr Krugga · 12 Jan 2012 at 13:10

My card is struggling at 2560x1440, often even with some options lowered.

I'm not an fps whore but keeping it at above 45 frames per second would be welcome as that's my cut off point for smooth experience in most games.

That is not possible with one card, two cards would cost me £370 at the time, I am willing to spend around £250 for an upgrade that will keep me going for the next 18 months or so.

It's not exactly true that current cards are beyond their generation of games.

J.D · 12 Jan 2012 at 13:26

RizlaKing said:
To be honest the only reason the 7970 is looking over priced is because despite age nvidia don't drop their prices so when amd come out with something better they have to price above the equivilent. This works out quite well for nvidia as they get to keep asking premium price for hardware out now and get to further increase the price when they do release new hardware so how about some nvidia attacking rather then constant slating of amd.

Not as much fun for some of you i know but why the hell one set of rules is ok for nvidia and not for amd is total fanboy hypocrisy. How much better things would be if people only bought considering their budget and their needs and left the brand loyalty rubbish out of it.

*Applauds!!

Well said, we've seen high prices from Nvidia for years and as soon as AMD do it after being such great value in comparison to Nvidia, it's all

faces on here. It's pathetic. I've never once complained about the price of Nvidia cards due to the fact that I expect a premium on the top card and it's Nvidia that's held that spot for a single GPU, hence the premium. A 6970 vs a GTX 580 with price per performance is exactly my point and if you want more than 2GB vRAM then you're looking at more of a decline for the expensive 3GB Nvidia card. Yet I see many people here with GTX 580s slate the price of this card too. Sigh

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I'm not going to argue with anyone though, you can think what you want. If Nvidia's premium price wasn't as high then AMD's price wouldn't have been. AMD have the single fastest card and for nearly the SAME price (3GB model) it beats the GTX580 easily. If you're used to getting your pillows plumped and sheets changed from AMD then tough, it's changed and rightly bloody so. 6950 for £200 unlocked and overclocked and how far it's behind a GTX 580. Give AMD a break and wait for this price hike to settle. We can all see the £420 card and although it's not here right now, it will be but you can still get the cards for £460-480 ish here at OCUK.

The shoe is on the other foot for the time being and AMD are acting like NVIDIA (on pricing) but they do have the fastest GPU?. Too much bickering about this to be honest. I think I'll just stay out of these "end is nigh, price is too damn high" threads because it's either brand loyalty or purchase justification that is behind most of the posting and this is a graphic card section of a PC enthusiasts forum :confused:

. It's more like xfactor with the majority rule voting and it's shows like these that make me refuse to watch television at all. There is some intelligent discussions going on but that's the minority of what is being discussed regarding the 7970. I suppose this place is always like this but it's getting tiring and I think it's growing.

Rant over.

[WU-TANG]GZA · 12 Jan 2012 at 13:36

J.D said:
*Applauds!!

Well said, we've seen high prices from Nvidia for years and as soon as AMD do it after being such great value in comparison to Nvidia, it's all faces on here. It's pathetic. I've never once complained about the price of Nvidia cards due to the fact that I expect a premium on the top card and it's Nvidia that's held that spot for a single GPU, hence the premium. A 6970 vs a GTX 580 with price per performance is exactly my point and if you want more than 2GB vRAM then you're looking at more of a decline for the expensive 3GB Nvidia card. Yet I see many people here with GTX 580s slate the price of this card too. Sigh .

I'm not going to argue with anyone though, you can think what you want. If Nvidia's premium price wasn't as high then AMD's price wouldn't have been. AMD have the single fastest card and for nearly the SAME price (3GB model) it beats the GTX580 easily. If you're used to getting your pillows plumped and sheets changed from AMD then tough, it's changed and rightly bloody so. 6950 for £200 unlocked and overclocked and how far it's behind a GTX 580. Give AMD a break and wait for this price hike to settle. We can all see the £420 card and although it's not here right now, it will be but you can still get the cards for £460-480 ish here at OCUK.

The shoe is on the other foot for the time being and AMD are acting like NVIDIA (on pricing) but they do have the fastest GPU?. Too much bickering about this to be honest. I think I'll just stay out of these "end is nigh, price is too damn high" threads because it's either brand loyalty or purchase justification that is behind most of the posting and this is a graphic card section of a PC enthusiasts forum . It's more like xfactor with the majority rule voting and it's shows like these that make me refuse to watch television at all. There is some intelligent discussions going on but that's the minority of what is being discussed regarding the 7970. I suppose this place is always like this but it's getting tiring and I think it's growing.

Rant over.

Sums up my thoughts perfectly. I really don't see why people are moaning.

Mr Krugga · 12 Jan 2012 at 13:51

J.D said:
*Applauds!!

Well said, we've seen high prices from Nvidia for years and as soon as AMD do it after being such great value in comparison to Nvidia, it's all faces on here. It's pathetic. I've never once complained about the price of Nvidia cards due to the fact that I expect a premium on the top card and it's Nvidia that's held that spot for a single GPU, hence the premium. A 6970 vs a GTX 580 with price per performance is exactly my point and if you want more than 2GB vRAM then you're looking at more of a decline for the expensive 3GB Nvidia card. Yet I see many people here with GTX 580s slate the price of this card too. Sigh .

I'm not going to argue with anyone though, you can think what you want. If Nvidia's premium price wasn't as high then AMD's price wouldn't have been. AMD have the single fastest card and for nearly the SAME price (3GB model) it beats the GTX580 easily. If you're used to getting your pillows plumped and sheets changed from AMD then tough, it's changed and rightly bloody so. 6950 for £200 unlocked and overclocked and how far it's behind a GTX 580. Give AMD a break and wait for this price hike to settle. We can all see the £420 card and although it's not here right now, it will be but you can still get the cards for £460-480 ish here at OCUK.

The shoe is on the other foot for the time being and AMD are acting like NVIDIA (on pricing) but they do have the fastest GPU?. Too much bickering about this to be honest. I think I'll just stay out of these "end is nigh, price is too damn high" threads because it's either brand loyalty or purchase justification that is behind most of the posting and this is a graphic card section of a PC enthusiasts forum . It's more like xfactor with the majority rule voting and it's shows like these that make me refuse to watch television at all. There is some intelligent discussions going on but that's the minority of what is being discussed regarding the 7970. I suppose this place is always like this but it's getting tiring and I think it's growing.

Rant over.

It would be all good if the 7970 was the only card priced so high.

You really don't understand that a stock 7970 is only 40% ish faster than a 6970 and all lower cards will have even lower peformance in comparison?

A 6970 can be had for £250 these days, a 7950 3GB is unlikely to be cheaper than £350, 1.5GB version will be at least £310, a 7890 1.5GB around £280. These are the lowest prices possible with current exchange rates and known RRPs for these cards.

It's like these cards are put on the market among the 6900/6800 series cards with appropriate price tags.

It would be fine a year ago but currently these cards offer no better value for money then the previous generation.

The 6970 launched at a price tag assigned to the lowest Tahiti part, the 7890, and that card is bound to offer minimal performance improvement at stock clocks on launch.

It has nothing to do with Nvidia's cards being expensive on releases or whatever, it's just that the usual performance per $ improvement that we expect from new releases is non-existent here.

I don't think it's that hard to understand.

It's almost certain that the 7870/7850 cards for 6970/6950s will be what 6870/6850s were for 5870/5850s.

JustBen · 12 Jan 2012 at 13:59

I was excited about them until the prices appeared online

Yamahahahahaha · 12 Jan 2012 at 14:23

Mr Krugga said:
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You don't understand that the 7970 is the fastest card at the moment.

If anyone remembers when Core 2 Duo chips landed, the AMD chips which were £700 a week previous, dropped to £140.

No competition = whatever they want to charge.

Don't like it? Don't buy it.

Mr Krugga · 12 Jan 2012 at 14:34

Yamahahahahaha said:
You don't understand that the 7970 is the fastest card at the moment.

If anyone remembers when Core 2 Duo chips landed, the AMD chips which were £700 a week previous, dropped to £140.

No competition = whatever they want to charge.

Don't like it? Don't buy it.

It's not about the 7970, if the pricing leaks are correct, the whole series will not be very competitive and most people will refrain from upgrading.

JustBen · 12 Jan 2012 at 14:40

Mr Krugga said:
It's not about the 7970, if the pricing leaks are correct, the whole series will not be very competitive and most people will refrain from upgrading.

There loss

[WU-TANG]GZA · 12 Jan 2012 at 14:43

You might end up being correct on the series as a whole but until confirmed prices and reviews are out let's just keep it to the 7900 release as stated in the OP.

Value is the price is what people are willing to pay for it. Simple and undeniable fact of business.

Are 7970s selling? Yes, therefore not overpriced. End of.

Level of excitement? Each to their own, no I'm not excited about the 7900 but that's because I don't want to get one.

People moaning about pricing are just being ignorant. If they owned AMD, would they charge less? PALEEEEEASE

rolypolyman · 12 Jan 2012 at 14:47

Quite simple really, new card comes out, old card drops in price substantially which allows people like me, not flush with money, to buy a decent card for a decent price. Now correct me if I am wrong but the 6970\6950 have had a long run at their current prices, but do you see any price drop associated with a new gen card, I certainly dont. These cards are pretty much the same price they were when released and that doesn't usually happen either. Previous new gen Amd cards have arrived at around £300, you cannot blame people for getting annoyed at the current price tag when we have been used to cheaper top end cards from Amd. The £500 price tags are usually reserved for dual gpu's or such like. I do blame Amd because they conditioned people into expecting value for money and this 7970 does not fit the bill. And as for those of you who dont like us moaners go away and create your own thread for the rich and famous among you who dont realise when you are getting shafted. Shame on Amd to be honest, they made their name as the people's champion and now they have sided with the devil. My rant over.

elmuzzy66. · 12 Jan 2012 at 14:47

I think people with a 480 or 5870 will think about an upgrade.

J.D · 12 Jan 2012 at 14:48

Mr Krugga said:
It would be all good if the 7970 was the only card priced so high.

Of course?. Then the GTX 580 would be in the right price range. Common sense?.

Mr Krugga said:
You really don't understand that a stock 7970 is only 40% ish faster than a 6970 and all lower cards will have even lower peformance in comparison?

A 6970 can be had for £250 these days, a 7950 3GB is unlikely to be cheaper than £350, 1.5GB version will be at least £310, a 7890 1.5GB around £280. These are the lowest prices possible with current exchange rates and known RRPs for these cards.

It's like these cards are put on the market among the 6900/6800 series cards with appropriate price tags.

Who are you to dictate what I do and do not understand?. What a way to start a discussion with someone.

I'm talking about THE 7970. I agree with you about the lower range but my focus is on the 7970/7950 3GB and if the 7950 1.5GB is close to performances of the other 7900 cards then I'll include that too but that remains to be seen.

If these cards (7970/7950/7950) are faster than what Nvidia are offering at a similar price point then again, if they are faster for roughly the same price then it's a no brainer. I don't care if AMD were so much greater value before, they have the top card now and are wanting more money than usual. 6950 @ £200 unlocked and overclocked VS a 3GB GTX 580. So now because the top cards are more expensive you think it's terrible you pay more. Just take a look at the GTX 580s 3GB price on here. I really do not see your problem with the top end cards.

For the other cards though, if they come at a relative price point of what the 6950/6970 come at and hold roughly the same performance then like you, I will be very unhappy about that but that would only be if performances and price points are close. Please lets not discuss the other cards though as this thread is about the 7900 series. If you reply regarding these cards I will not answer for respect to the OP and to not derail the thread.

Mr Krugga said:
It would be fine a year ago but currently these cards offer no better value for money then the previous generation.

The 6970 launched at a price tag assigned to the lowest Tahiti part, the 7890, and that card is bound to offer minimal performance improvement at stock clocks on launch.

It's only you that is bringing up the 78-- series?. :confused:

The thread is about who is unhappy about the 7900 series.

Mr Krugga said:
It has nothing to do with Nvidia's cards being expensive on releases or whatever, it's just that the usual performance per $ improvement that we expect from new releases is non-existent here.

I don't think it's that hard to understand.

It's almost certain that the 7870/7850 cards for 6970/6950s will be what 6870/6850s were for 5870/5850s.

Expensive on release?. Expensive right now you mean and even from the start too............. Is the GTX580 worth the extra money over a 6950 @ £200 unlocked and overclocked?. Of course not but it's a PREMIUM for having the fastest GPU in the world. Nvidia had it and charged more, now AMD have it and guess what, are charging more.

Again, with the "you don't understand" you said that to me twice in the first conversation we've had on this matter. I can't really be bothered with that attitude tbh. Life is too short so chill out and try to be nicer to people as it's ONLY a discussion....

Yes the usual price versus performance isn't there as it's a PREMIUM for having the fastest card. At similar price levels as the GTX580 3GB you would be insane to buy the 580 if you needed a card today.

Marine-RX179 · 12 Jan 2012 at 14:53

[WU-TANG]GZA;21015363 said:
Value is the price is what people are willing to pay for it. Simple and undeniable fact of business.

Are 7970s selling? Yes, therefore not overpriced. End of.

Level of excitement? Each to their own, no I'm not excited about the 7900 but that's because I don't want to get one.

People moaning about pricing are just being ignorant. If they owned AMD, would they charge less? PALEEEEEASE

Wrong! Minority of people with more money than sense decide to bend over and take it buying an overpriced product DOES NOT make a product good value.

But to be fair, AMD did instruct to drop the recommended selling price from $549 down to $479 or something, but UK retailers just decide to ignore that and price it at higher price than even the original suggested price.

J.D · 12 Jan 2012 at 14:56

rolypolyman said:
Quite simple really, new card comes out, old card drops in price substantially which allows people like me, not flush with money, to buy a decent card for a decent price. Now correct me if I am wrong but the 6970\6950 have had a long run at their current prices, but do you see any price drop associated with a new gen card, I certainly dont. These cards are pretty much the same price they were when released and that doesn't usually happen either. Previous new gen Amd cards have arrived at around £300, you cannot blame people for getting annoyed at the current price tag when we have been used to cheaper top end cards from Amd. The £500 price tags are usually reserved for dual gpu's or such like. I do blame Amd because they conditioned people into expecting value for money and this 7970 does not fit the bill. And as for those of you who dont like us moaners go away and create your own thread for the rich and famous among you who dont realise when you are getting shafted. Shame on Amd to be honest, they made their name as the people's champion and now they have sided with the devil. My rant over.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-161-EA&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1812

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-144-GW&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1812

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-147-EA&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1812

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-153-OK&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1812

Moan at Nvidia as well then. AMD are charging more for their card which is the fastest GPU in the world. Nvidia have had that crown for a while now and have charged the same premium. Just because AMD have been putting out cheaper cards in the past, it's not always been like that and shouldn't be expected.

Match up any 6950 unlocked for performance vs price against a GTX 580. But if you wanted 2GB of vRAM+ you're looking at the GTX 580 3GB. Nvidia have done it as they deserved too and nobody has been going nuts at Nvidia for doing the EXACT SAME THING

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[WU-TANG]GZA · 12 Jan 2012 at 14:57

rolypolyman said:
Quite simple really, new card comes out, old card drops in price substantially which allows people like me, not flush with money, to buy a decent card for a decent price. Now correct me if I am wrong but the 6970\6950 have had a long run at their current prices, but do you see any price drop associated with a new gen card, I certainly dont. These cards are pretty much the same price they were when released and that doesn't usually happen either. Previous new gen Amd cards have arrived at around £300, you cannot blame people for getting annoyed at the current price tag when we have been used to cheaper top end cards from Amd. The £500 price tags are usually reserved for dual gpu's or such like. I do blame Amd because they conditioned people into expecting value for money and this 7970 does not fit the bill. And as for those of you who dont like us moaners go away and create your own thread for the rich and famous among you who dont realise when you are getting shafted. Shame on Amd to be honest, they made their name as the people's champion and now they have sided with the devil. My rant over.

I take your point but perhaps when the 7000 series equivalent performance-wise to the 6950/70 is out then yeah maybe a price drop will occur. They might be creating a larger product mix. Is it me or does there seem to be more models these days (prolly just me but hey)?

If a 7870 outperforms a 6970 when it is released and the 6970 is still circa £250 then yes the 7870 will be circa £275 and so on and so on and so on.

Yes AMD have sold out their people's champion reputation, good on them, I'd do the same - it's just business.

What is the answer to 9/10 questions? Money.

So you would reccomend differently if you were CFO of AMD, eh? PALEEEASE

[WU-TANG]GZA · 12 Jan 2012 at 14:58

J.D said:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-161-EA&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1812

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-144-GW&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1812

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-147-EA&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1812

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-153-OK&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1812

Moan at Nvidia as well then. AMD are charging more for their card which is the fastest GPU in the world. Nvidia have had that crown for a while now and have charged the same premium. Just because AMD have been putting out cheaper cards in the past, it's not always been like that and shouldn't be expected.

Match up any 6950 unlocked for performance vs price against a GTX 580. But if you wanted 2GB of vRAM+ you're looking at the GTX 580 3GB. Nvidia have done it as they deserved too and nobody has been going nuts at Nvidia for doing the EXACT SAME THING .

Bcos they expect it off Nvidia so that's ok....... :rolleyes:

@Marine - No, I'm right and I did not say good value, did I? I said it was not overpriced. Which it isn't, as it is selling (regardless to whom). Trust me, I have priced and sold tens of millions of pounds worth of products over the years. I know this very simple rule and market demand.