US marines urinated on bodies of taliban fighters

[StriderX]

Let's break this down:

There really is "no hope" for us if we follow this so called rules of war bull ****!
There really is "no hope" for the extremists if we say **** the rules we are going to win!

Certain rules really do not need to be adhered to or we will lose this. I'm sure you're not naive enough to think that if we follow a "set of rules" our opponent will do the same and the end result will a lot of blood shed from both sides with one winner and one looser. But hey, it will have been a good fight and the winner will celebrate a triumphant victory safe in the knowledge they strictly followed the rules of war and won fairly! Do you think the winner of a street fight is the one that follows a set of unwritten rules? Or the one that kicks his opponent in the balls, then goes for the eyes and the throat - I know what one I'll be in that situation.

WE HAVE ALREADY LOST.

God, some people are blind, the very fact that the rulebook doesn't always get adhered to is EXACTLY why we have lost.

This is not a war of force, it is a war of societies and if we continue on this route, we wont have one left to protect, just some dystopian nightmare, that is exactly what they want and you'd hand it on a plate to them.

 

[Judgeneo]

I can see why they might have wanted to do it, but its still wrong to actually carry it out.

 

[buchtis]

I laughed.

 

[Vonhelmet]

I laughed.

 

[steve45]

Let's break this down:

There really is "no hope" for us if we follow this so called rules of war bull ****!
There really is "no hope" for the extremists if we say **** the rules we are going to win!

This isnt a clear cut win lose conflict, its a counter insurgency.
simply dicarding rules to acheive a goal will not work, there is no clear cut enemy force, you start going down this road you will quickly find ourselves back in 2006 and getting nowhere and alienating the people we are trying to help.

WE HAVE ALREADY LOST.

we can only measure our success years/decades down the line when we have completely pulled our forces out, and there is a fair government in place that can look after itself and its own security.
until then there is no win or lose.

 

[MrKeeno]

The Taliban decapitate people and post the video on the internet and they have a problem with this?

I dont have the slightest problem with it tbh.

 

[AGD]

Not really surprised by what american soldiers get up to any more. (Or our own for that matter)

The problems with the military is that most of the intelligent, sensible people don't become soldiers so the army is left with people like this.

 

[Glaucus]

The Taliban decapitate people and post the video on the internet and they have a problem with this?

I dont have the slightest problem with it tbh.

So the fact that the general population have a major issue with it, doesn't matter?
American and uknforces are meant to be professional. There's no need for it and it doesn't achieve our goals of "winning hearts and minds" of course it's a big issue. The act itself certainly isn't the worst thing to happen. But it goes against the whole idea of the mission. Not to mention breaking conflict and us armed forces laws.

 

[StriderX]

This isnt a clear cut win lose conflict, its a counter insurgency.
simply dicarding rules to acheive a goal will not work, there is no clear cut enemy force, you start going down this road you will quickly find ourselves back in 2006 and getting nowhere and alienating the people we are trying to help.

we can only measure our success years/decades down the line when we have completely pulled our forces out, and there is a fair government in place that can look after itself and its own security.
until then there is no win or lose.

Perhaps, but it doesn't take an "analyst" to say that Afghanistan is doomed, the police forces, the military (up to colonel apparently) and the government are corrupt.

Its just going turn tribal again with people getting killed and power vacuums getting constantly created and filled, which has funnily enough already started, many people have been assassinated in the past year, right hand man of Karzai keeping things stable for one.

Not only that, but the increasing fact that Pakistan is destabilising into a hell hole wont help the situation.

If anything we have done nothing for the region but replace problems with our own problems.

 

[Craterloads]

Cant even see why theres a debate, its just plain wierd and wrong to **** on dead bodies regardless of who they are.

 

[Vonhelmet]

The Taliban decapitate people and post the video on the internet and they have a problem with this?

I dont have the slightest problem with it tbh.

The point is that we are supposed to be better than them. If we are going to urinate on their dead, then why shouldn't they fly planes into our buildings?

 

[Robbo]

The point is that we are supposed to be better than them. If we are going to urinate on their dead, then why shouldn't they fly planes into our buildings?

Exactly, I think that really sums up the general line of thinking.

However I do think a lot of soldiers are badly disturbed by the things they witness out there, so this sort of behaviour isn't all that surprising really.

I certainly don't think they deserve to die for it.

 

[StriderX]

The point is that we are supposed to be better than them. If we are going to urinate on their dead, then why shouldn't they fly planes into our buildings?

Maybe they were trying to help us demolish the two unsightly buildings and we waged war on them.

(Obviously a joke).

 

[Sonea Fifer]

we can only measure our success years/decades down the line when we have completely pulled our forces out, and there is a fair government in place that can look after itself and its own security.
until then there is no win or lose.

Quoted what is probably the truest and most honest post in this entire thread. Posted by an active serviceman as well I believe?

This isnt a clear cut win lose conflict, its a counter insurgency. Simply discarding rules to achieve a goal will not work, there is no clear cut enemy force, you start going down this road you will quickly find ourselves back in 2006 and getting nowhere and alienating the people we are trying to help.

You're probably right there as well, the main point is how do we achieve the result we're looking for in my first quote? I honestly don't know, but I do know that bowing down to these human rights activists and the political **** wits that say "lets play by a set of rules" isn't going achieve anything at all. If anything it will all lead to is more bloodshed

 

[steve45]

Perhaps, but it doesn't take an "analyst" to say that Afghanistan is doomed, the police forces, the military (up to colonel apparently) and the government are corrupt.

Its just going turn tribal again with people getting killed and power vacuums getting constantly created and filled, which has funnily enough already started, many people have been assassinated in the past year, right hand man of Karzai keeping things stable for one.

Not only that, but the increasing fact that Pakistan is destabilising into a hell hole wont help the situation.

If anything we have done nothing for the region but replace problems with our own problems.

i hate to say it, as it means all the work and all the lives lost would be in vain, but i dont think you are far wrong, at least with the timeline we are giving ourselves, i cant see the country being ready to take the reins as it were from the end of 2014, granted they have made massive strides in that direction, nbut it will take more than another 3 years if they really want this to work.

and the whole pakistan instability situation is a massive issue.

 

[Glaucus]

However I do think a lot of soldiers are badly disturbed by the things they witness out there, so this sort of behaviour isn't all that surprising really.

Totally agree with this and there's probably a lot that could be changed in training a and support to help soldiers. Who go through huge mental pressures. Which most of us can't even appreciate.

 

[RoboCod]

What the hell good would that do? Just pathetic behaviour.
Pretty sure my Grandad, even though seeing fellow allies losing their lives, would not of taken a dump on dead enemies.
It really is degenerate.

Perhaps, but do you think they care?

 

[Glaucus]

What the hell good would that do? Just pathetic behaviour.
Pretty sure my Grandad, even though seeing fellow allies losing their lives, would not of taken a dump on dead enemies.
It really is degenerate.

There were loads of (I don't know what to call it) bad behaviour in ww2.

 

[Sonea Fifer]

and the whole pakistan instability situation is a massive issue.

That's for sure.

I remember watching the video on Sky news where the special forces "took out" Bin Laden.

He was in Pakistan - I'm sure there's a reason why the Americans decided not to advise the Pakistani's he was there and they were about to launch an attack. . . . . . Oh - that's because they're so corrupt they obviously cant be trusted! That's another tin of worms though. Let's stay on topic here.

 

[Craterloads]

Lets just hope these troops suffer from penile and testicular injuries due to IEDs, would be ironic.