Paying for Petrol

Burnsy2023 · 13 Jan 2012 at 09:58

MeatLoaf said:
However, if you have been into the store its unlikley the police would proceed with any case as its most likely to be blamed on the cashier as its thier responibilty to secure payment for fuel.

It's not their responsibility legally, however, with theft you have the issue of dishonesty. Theft isn't theft in law unless the act is dishonest. If you got asked but replied no, when you really did have fuel, that is a dishonest act - point proved.

However, if you're not asked, people could use the defence that they forgot or where unaware that they weren't charged the full amount. This would mean that it could be tricky to secure a criminal conviction for theft. This isn't to say the retailer couldn't recover the cost civilly though.

DJMK4 · 13 Jan 2012 at 09:59

I can only add one more thing to this thread

Don't drop the soap.

Good luck young skywalker

King Damager · 13 Jan 2012 at 09:59

Of course you do...

kd

Tute · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:01

MeatLoaf said:
However, if you have been into the store its unlikley the police would proceed with any case as its most likely to be blamed on the cashier as its thier responibilty to secure payment for fuel.

Crap law is crap.

Kerplunk · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:01

Haha, brilliant

I'm gonna read this thread again!

Burnsy2023 · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:02

Tute said:
Crap law is crap.

Not really.

steve45 · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:03

just out of habit the first thing i say after saying hi or whatever is the number of the pump i used, therefore i would never be in this situation.

but as already said numerous times, theft is theft.

Marky · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:04

That is absolute boo-hockey

Although, my friend has forgotten to pay for petrol before and had no consequences... I wouldn't try it though

Tute · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:04

Burnsy2023 said:
Not really.

Yes really. It just gives dishonest people a loophole.

What's to stop them claiming that they weren't asked about fuel even if they were?

It's that kind of rubbish law tha leads to so many people "trying it on".

bledd · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:04

Is it true that if you forget your wallet, you can get an IOU and pay it within a week?

Mobius 1 · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:05

don't even think about being a *****! pay up!

PuG106 · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:05

I know its theft peeps that's why i paid but i was only asking to prove that my colleague was talking BS, from the looks of it you've proved that point and i can show him this.

I work in the Epos industry and our petrol tills have the functionality to prompt the cashier at the sub total point of the transaction to ask the customer if they have had fuel or not.

Tute · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:05

bledd. said:
Is it true that if you forget your wallet, you can get an IOU and pay it within a week?

It is.

DJMK4 · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:07

bledd. said:
Is it true that if you forget your wallet, you can get an IOU and pay it within a week?

Last time I left my wallet at home, they did offer to take my address but I declined and said ill be back now, parked my car in their carpark space and left them the keys, I lived about a 15-20 minute walk from the Garage.

So I guess if they offered to take my address, I could have paid the next day etc.

PistolPete · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:10

bledd. said:
Is it true that if you forget your wallet, you can get an IOU and pay it within a week?

Yes, many fuel stations allow this. After all, they can't exactly take the fuel back can they? I had this happen to me once, so rather red faced I filled out a form and popped back 30 mins later with payment.

Semple · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:19

PistolPete said:
Yes, many fuel stations allow this. After all, they can't exactly take the fuel back can they? I had this happen to me once, so rather red faced I filled out a form and popped back 30 mins later with payment.

Shouldn't feel embarrassed.

I reckon a case like this happens at least once every day in the UK.

MeatLoaf · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:20

PistolPete said:
Yes, many fuel stations allow this. After all, they can't exactly take the fuel back can they? I had this happen to me once, so rather red faced I filled out a form and popped back 30 mins later with payment.

They cant take the fuel back but they can require you to leave your vehicle on the forecourt whilst you go to get payment/get someone to bring you the money

We do have no means of payment forms but we can only allow you to fill these out if you have some ID on you such as a photo driving licence. This is so we have your details should you not return.

Its pretty rare that we get someone with no money at all and no ID, usually theres a problem because the customers card has declined.

Itsd a nightmare at times, especially at the end of the month, we have several customers whose card declines month after month so they come back after payday to pay. Sadly for these customers they will now be required to prepay.

Frenzy · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:24

Yeah you do get an official IOU, I forgot my card once but luckily I lived 2 minutes away so I came back and paid straight away.

Burnsy2023 · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:24

Tute said:
Yes really. It just gives dishonest people a loophole.

What's to stop them claiming that they weren't asked about fuel even if they were?

It's that kind of rubbish law tha leads to so many people "trying it on".

You'd have a witness statement from the cashier though and possibly another colleague saying the contrary. That's usually enough.

The dishonesty clause does protect people from honest mistakes that they would otherwise be criminalised for though.

Burnsy2023 · 13 Jan 2012 at 10:26

MeatLoaf said:
They cant take the fuel back but they can require you to leave your vehicle on the forecourt whilst you go to get payment/get someone to bring you the money

Not as far as I am aware. If someone gives you their name, address and phone number, then that's enough. I don't see any power for you to require them to leave their vehicle.