US marines urinated on bodies of taliban fighters

Deluxe1 · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:15

Vonhelmet said:
Great, but it doesn't change the fact that what they did is deplorable.

To you yes but to others no. People need to get off their high horse and accept **** happens in life and always has and always will in this scenario.

Castiel · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:18

Deluxe1 said:
To you yes but to others no. People need to get off their high horse and accept **** happens in life and always has and always will in this scenario.

Accepting that this happens doesn't make the action itself acceptable.

Vonhelmet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:18

Deluxe1 said:
To you yes but to others no.

Just because you're a soldier, doesn't mean that the standards for acceptable behaviour are lower.

Deluxe1 said:
People need to get off their high horse and accept **** happens in life and always has and always will in this scenario.

Morality is an absolute. If urinating on dead bodies is wrong (it is, by the way - I think there may be some uncertainty here) then it's wrong in all circumstances. I can't readily think of a circumstance in which it would be appropriate.

Tefal · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:25

Vonhelmet said:
Morality is an absolute. If urinating on dead bodies is wrong (it is, by the way - I think there may be some uncertainty here) then it's wrong in all circumstances. I can't readily think of a circumstance in which it would be appropriate.

Morality isn't absolute, in fact is so far from absolute it's kinda hard to take you seriously after saying that.

Vonhelmet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:27

Tefal said:
Morality isn't absolute, in fact is so far from absolute it's kinda hard to take you seriously after saying that.

I was in two minds about saying it, but I was rushing. Maybe I'll have that argument with you another day.

However, now that you've knocked my argument into a cocked hat, I'm off to have a wee on your great-grandma's grave.

EDIT: It's probably my religious background that would bring me to a position of stating that morality is absolute.

cm1179 · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:28

Deluxe1 said:
To you yes but to others no. People need to get off their high horse and accept **** happens in life and always has and always will in this scenario.

society is on the brink of a downfall if we take that attitude. what else would you like to slap that attitude onto today?

Jonny ///M · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:30

I wouldn't do it myself and it's certainly not a nice thing to be doing.

I don't think I'm in any position to be judging men out fighting for their country. I imagine they have a lot of anger and have seen a lot of messed up things that could distort their minds.

Tefal · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:30

Vonhelmet said:
EDIT: It's probably my religious background that would bring me to a position of stating that morality is absolute.

So you believe it is morally correct to kill gay people?

because I thought most Christians these days disagreed with that now, which shows that since the old testament was written morality has changed within the religion at least once so not absolute.

Vonhelmet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:31

Jonny ///M said:
I imagine they have a lot of anger and have seen a lot of messed up things that could distort their minds.

Like Anders Breivik, for example. He was very angry, and his mind seemed quite distorted. Yeah, we probably shouldn't judge him either.

OH NOES EXTREMIST COUNTERPOINT.

I'm going to have leave this thread, I'm becoming flippant.

Jonny ///M · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:32

Vonhelmet said:
Like Anders Breivik, for example. He was very angry, and his mind seemed quite distorted. Yeah, we probably shouldn't judge him either.

OH NOES EXTREMIST COUNTERPOINT.

I'm going to have leave this thread, I'm becoming flippant.

I'm not saying it's right that they did it. I'm just trying to understand why they might do it.

Vonhelmet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:32

Tefal said:
So you believe it is morally correct to kill gay people?

because I thought most Christians these days disagreed with that now, which shows that since the old testament was written morality has changed within the religion at least once so not absolute.

Begging the question... Do I assert that the morality outlined in the Old Testament is or ever was representative of true Christian morality?

Vonhelmet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:33

Jonny ///M said:
I'm not saying it's right that they did it. I'm just trying to understand why they might do it.

I know. Like I said, I'm getting impatient and flippant - sorry.

The Funktopus · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:33

I suppose this another case of leaks causing the US Military problems.......

*Cue Tumbleweed*

Mr Krugga · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:33

Jonny ///M said:
I don't think I'm in any position to be judging men out fighting for their country. I imagine they have a lot of anger and have seen a lot of messed up things that could distort their minds.

Are you talking about Talibans now? :confused:

Tefal · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:34

Vonhelmet said:
Begging the question... Do I assert that the morality outlined in the Old Testament is or ever was representative of true Christian morality?

Arguably shows that morality changed over time though.

how about how the religion has changed in it's treatment of homosexuals or non believers through out history?

To argue that it follows the same moral laws it always has is just untrue.

hell the death penalty and peoples views o nit show that morality isa not absolute, universal or even consistent within one person over the course of their life (you still believe everything about morality you did when you were younger?)

Castiel · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:36

Vonhelmet said:
I was in two minds about saying it, but I was rushing. Maybe I'll have that argument with you another day.

However, now that you've knocked my argument into a cocked hat, I'm off to have a wee on your great-grandma's grave.

EDIT: It's probably my religious background that would bring me to a position of stating that morality is absolute.

I think that morality is only absolute within the individual and even then only at the point of reference...sometimes that can extend to a closed society, but as a rule morality is subjective to the individual.

That is not to say that morality doen't have commonality across societies and individuals..such as murder being an immoral act for example....although you need to also have an equally agreed definition of murder for that morality to also be universal.

ubersonic · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:38

Mr Krugga said:
Are you talking about Talibans now?

Applies to both sides no?

Tefal · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:39

Castiel said:
I think that morality is only absolute within the individual....sometimes that can extend to a closed society, but as a rule morality is subjective to the individual.

Do you not think that your view on morality changes over time and circumstance?

That is not to say that morality doen't have commonality across societies and individuals..such as murder being an immoral act for example....although you have to also have an equally agreed definition of murder for that morality to also be universal.

for example, murder being an immoral act. Murder is simply killing without permission from your government/the relevant authority.

why does having permission make it moral?

Mr Krugga · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:40

ubersonic said:
Applies to both sides no?

Depends how you view fighting for one's country, I guess.

Vonhelmet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:41

Tefal said:
Arguably shows that morality changed over time though.

how about how the religion has changed in it's treatment of homosexuals or non believers through out history?

To argue that it follows the same moral laws it always has is just untrue.

hell the death penalty and peoples views o nit show that morality isa not absolute, universal or even consistent within one person over the course of their life (you still believe everything about morality you did when you were younger?)

My point is that morality is absolute, though we may not always interpret it or understand it correctly, or behave appropriately even if we do.

We can be right or wrong about what we believe to be right or wrong, basically.