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Unions and the Labour party
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We can pretty much end the thread with this one statement - I cant see them getting back into power for quite a few years given the complete **** up they made last time they were given chance. To be fair the muppet that is Gordon Brown pretty much killed any chance Labour would ever have of re-election when he accidentally called Gillian Duffy a "bigoted women" live on air.
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A few months ago i might have disagreed with you (not about your points that follow, but still). Then, when labour had said basically nothing since the leadership change there was a possibility that they were actually drawing up plans and policy changes. Now they've said they're going to do exactly what the tories are doing... what the is their point? I've heard devout labour supporters who follow it basically religiously and have done all their life say that they won't vote for Ed.
What kind of democracy is this, where all three main parties are exactly the same and don't make any effort to hide it? Unless the Greens can somehow muster another 649 representatives from thin air there is no choice.
Although I dont agree with how we got into this mess and how peoples pensions got used I cant help but feel that the public opinion/support for public sector workers and unions is going to go down hill.
We are in it now and everyone is cutting back, asking for a pay rise from the government which should be reducing spending everywhere (unless it provides positive production/financial increase) is eventually going to bite back.
Although I think Labour has committed public/political suicide, I have a little more respect that they admit they need to have cuts in a shorter time to deal with the current crisis.
We are in it now and everyone is cutting back, asking for a pay rise from the government which should be reducing spending everywhere (unless it provides positive production/financial increase) is eventually going to bite back.
Although I think Labour has committed public/political suicide, I have a little more respect that they admit they need to have cuts in a shorter time to deal with the current crisis.
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My Union doesn't give money to the Labour party (PCS).
As far as the benefit of Unions goes, I'm quite happy with my 7.7% raise over 18 months and £1500 bonus thanks very much
Oh - and posting in what will be an epic thread!
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Whilst it may be somewhat obvious that I'm not a massive fan of the Labour party, I have to agree with this. No matter who is in government (even when they're the ones I voted for) I want the opposition to be credible - to keep the government on their toes.
My Union doesn't give money to the Labour party (PCS).
As far as the benefit of Unions goes, I'm quite happy with my 7.7% raise over 18 months and £1500 bonus thanks very much
Oh - and posting in what will be an epic thread!
3% back dated for the year £600 in cash and another 3% rise in June for us.*
what is it you do?
*not bad considering we're apprentices who can't strike or do any industrial action for that matter.
still works out that next months pay check will be double what it normally is.
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Milijoke only got in power off the Union vote, he will never get elected without the unions help and while other leaders won't be better for the Unions, he got the Labour leadership ONLY by the union's votes and somewhat owed them, and then he turns his back on them to try and get elected with half real policy.
He's a joke, unions are a joke, this country is a joke. The biggest problem when everythings going fine everyone is happy to take pay raises, bonuses, spend to oblivion and never think about the future, and when everything is going bad in the economy...... people somehow still think the raises, the spending and not having to think about the future still applies.
People are stupid, unions are stupid, Labour are stupid and Miliband, well they really couldn't have picked a worse....... okay I was thinking they couldn't have picked a bigger moron, of course that is rubbish, Mrs Womens Rights would have been even worse.
Parties have a habit of electing a truly terrible leader so the follow up almost seems like he could be worth electing to PM. Thing is the rest of the party is a bit of a joke these days.
Unions need to have power wrestled away from them, gone are the times that people were routinely worked to death in horrific conditions or fired on a whim, we've gone so far to the other extreme its laughable. Public workers are almost impossible to fire until the **** really hits the fan, even then its usually extreme cases like baby's getting killed and social workers being negligent or more often, simply massively overworked in a crap system and used as a scapegoat.
He's a joke, unions are a joke, this country is a joke. The biggest problem when everythings going fine everyone is happy to take pay raises, bonuses, spend to oblivion and never think about the future, and when everything is going bad in the economy...... people somehow still think the raises, the spending and not having to think about the future still applies.
People are stupid, unions are stupid, Labour are stupid and Miliband, well they really couldn't have picked a worse....... okay I was thinking they couldn't have picked a bigger moron, of course that is rubbish, Mrs Womens Rights would have been even worse.
Parties have a habit of electing a truly terrible leader so the follow up almost seems like he could be worth electing to PM. Thing is the rest of the party is a bit of a joke these days.
Unions need to have power wrestled away from them, gone are the times that people were routinely worked to death in horrific conditions or fired on a whim, we've gone so far to the other extreme its laughable. Public workers are almost impossible to fire until the **** really hits the fan, even then its usually extreme cases like baby's getting killed and social workers being negligent or more often, simply massively overworked in a crap system and used as a scapegoat.
Whilst it may be somewhat obvious that I'm not a massive fan of the Labour party, I have to agree with this. No matter who is in government (even when they're the ones I voted for) I want the opposition to be credible - to keep the government on their toes.
The opposition (labour) is realistic and thus credible. Something the labour party hasn't been for quite some time.
There is no party in the UK that represents an anti-cut position and there is no party in the UK that is a proponent of the Unions.
We have two Tory parties. What happens now?
I hope that the Unions do de-affiliate he's been laughing at them for months.
We have two Tory parties. What happens now?
I hope that the Unions do de-affiliate he's been laughing at them for months.
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They win democracy?
The Tories win. The Pretendy Tories die as the Union funds are withdrawn and the party is liquidated after its decline continued.
Credible? Balls has been seen to dribble icecream down his front and has derided the position he has just moved onto for well over a year. He talks of the "conservative economic mess" having not long near bankrupted the UK with Brown.
Can anyone here genuinely see Miliband as the PM?
Beyond rhetoric, what's the difference anymore?
Not that one no.
Ahahahahahahah.Don't you mean Lol Unions, Lol Labour?
Both of them are pointless, ancient groups of morons who are only in it for the glory of being a bunch of Communists.
All labour has done is turned into a hypocrite (isnt anything new) with a leader who frankly annoys everyone when he speaks, i swear i can feel the spit coming out of the TV whenever he opens that hole he calls a mouth.
Communist.......
Ahahahaha.
Oh wait, was this a serious post? - or do you really have no idea what communism is?.
As much as I dislike Brown - she was a bigot.
So the unions follow through with their threats and stop funding Labour. Labour would collapse as a political party and the unions would have to either fund another existing party or create a new one if they want to retain their influence in politics.
I suppose the could choose the Greens as they are probably the most socialist party out there at the moment (discarding the rest of the left fringe like SWP and the like) but quite a few of the Green's policies would be at odds with some of the major unions.
If they choose to start a new party they are effectively back to square one and out of any political influence for many years to come.
In short, I would say this is mostly bluster to try and influence Labour party policy, at the moment they still need each other too much to split.
I suppose the could choose the Greens as they are probably the most socialist party out there at the moment (discarding the rest of the left fringe like SWP and the like) but quite a few of the Green's policies would be at odds with some of the major unions.
If they choose to start a new party they are effectively back to square one and out of any political influence for many years to come.
In short, I would say this is mostly bluster to try and influence Labour party policy, at the moment they still need each other too much to split.
Yeah, stupid NHS giving people healthcare.
Also, Labour have been in power for the 70 years without a single break.
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