Ministry of Sound to close? Your help would be appreciated

Strife212 said:
Because it's already an established business, why doesn't the development relocate instead?
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sbi5ar said:
WHy can't the people building the flats just relocate?
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LOL, just LOL.

Why should they? I can't see why either of them should relocate. Nobody has presented a valid argument for this yet, nor has anyone explained why MoS needs to close. Even MoS doesn't give an explanation on their petition page!

yer_averagejoe said:
Replace "ministry of sound" with an establishment that you like to frequent if it helps you to be empathetic about the situation.
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Fine, we can do that but my questions remain:

* Why does it have to close?
* Why doesn't their petition explain this?
* If closure is a prospect for whatever bizarre and as-yet-unexplained-reason, why can't they relocate instead and keep the business alive?
* Have they never heard of soundproofing?

It's a £136m business yet we are being asked to believe it has to close overnight with no other option, just because some flats are going up nearby? Seriously?

This such a massive beatup.
 
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This would be the planning application I think, 38 residential units.

http://planningonline.southwarksite...AME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=9543581

I think what they should be doing is making sure really good soundproofing is part of the spec of the new builds and that they should also offer money to MoS as either an incentive to move out or to also enhance their sound proofing as well.

Both should be able to exist in harmony with one another really. We need clubs and we need residential property being built in this country.
 
Evangelion said:
Not interested, don't care, not my problem.
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You don't sound like a complete dick at-all. Which is good.


I don't much care either way, r.e MOS. I don't know how familiar you are with UK noise regulations. But they'll end up being asked to turn the sound system off permanently/having their license revoked, on account of them being very close to residential properties and causing a disturbance. It's not rocket science.
 
I think Evangelion forgot that fact that the location and history of the location is part of the brand and I suspect popularity would die off because it's 'just not the same'. Might not be such a problem in the short term but long term it'd devalue the brand and it would lose its appeal to clubbers.
 
When I was younger the MoS was the definitive club to go to/be seen in, in the UK. Is that still the case or has its popularity declined since then?
 
Notwithstanding the fact that I no longer frequent clubs, I can still sympathise with people that are concerned about this.

Not sure if anyone's mentioned it but MoS would probably receive some kind of 'relocation package' if they were forced to move. Why should they? I don't know actually. Housing is more important than clubbing but let's not pretend this is some kind of social project. This is for making money, so they should find a plot that doesn't involve the forced closure of a British institution.

On the other hand, I think people are over-playing the extent to which relocation would harm MoS.
 
Relocating isn't as easy as some are making out. They would have to find a new piece of land, preferably in London, with good transport links, not near any flats/houses, that is large enough and for sale that they can get planning for to get the same level of business. This isn't moving a corner shop.

Why should the new developmental get preferential treatment over the existing business?
 
Ahleckz said:
The idea that clubs are the cause of antisocial behaviour is ridiculous. Removing a couple of clubs won't solve the problem. What is needed is education
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Lol yeah because trying to educate people who just want to get drunk due to the stress of their 9-5 is going to work

Ahleckz said:
greater control of alcohol sales.
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And thats where the clubs come in

TBH it is the clubs fault, I used to work in a major club whilst at uni and as long as the money was flowing, they didn't care what happened in the building, drugs were all over the place, fights broke out every night, almost all the doorman had criminal records.

And you're saying that it isn't the clubs fault?
 
Half the people in here are either stupid or trolling.

There's no way to argue the point without the missing info that Evangelion stated above.

I agree the club shouldn't relocate at all, when a mayor agrees to let housing be placed somewhere he should be aware of what's already there.


Jay794 said:
Lol yeah because trying to educate people who just want to get drunk due to the stress of their 9-5 is going to work

And thats where the clubs come in

TBH it is the clubs fault, I used to work in a major club whilst at uni and as long as the money was flowing, they didn't care what happened in the building, drugs were all over the place, fights broke out every night, almost all the doorman had criminal records.

And you're saying that it isn't the clubs fault?
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You're just stereotyping every single person who wants to go out and have a drink, listen to music/dance, chill and socialize. I won't even go into how stupid that sounds.

So out of your experience of the dozens of clubs you know and the majority of staff that you know very well, you're saying every single one is like that? I've been to plenty of clubs around London and Oxford and haven't seen a single fight ever.
 
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Kamwah said:
You're just stereotyping every single person who wants to go out and have a drink, listen to music/dance, chill and socialize. I won't even go into how stupid that sounds.

So out of your experience of the dozens of clubs you know and the majority of staff that you know very well, you're saying every single one is like that? I've been to plenty of clubs around London and Oxford and haven't seen a single fight ever.
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I wasn't trying to generalise, I was just basing it on my experience and the few clubs I've worked in, and yes, I guess I am stereotyping the type of person that I believe enjoys that type of music as the same type of person who also gets into a fight just because someone gave him a funny look, I should have probably ended my comment by saying "obviously this is not everyone"
 
Jay794 said:
I wasn't trying to generalise, I was just basing it on my experience and the few clubs I've worked in, and yes, I guess I am stereotyping the type of person that I believe enjoys that type of music as the same type of person who also gets into a fight just because someone gave him a funny look, I should have probably ended my comment by saying "obviously this is not everyone"
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I will admit I'm not a fan of those kinds of environments, i'd wrather be in the pub down the road for a few hours than being given a headache till 3AM in the morning but I guess the mrs likes it when I'm ****ed off XD

That stuff does happen at times and usually it's because of that persons attitude (amplified by the drink). I've met a few people in my time who'd get into a fight if someone just gazed in their direction =/ Crazy B*stards
 
If I could be bothered/had the enthusiasm/felt that strongly about the issue I'd start my own petition about dubstep being crap.

Thats if I could be bothered of course lol
 
loopylou said:
Relocating isn't as easy as some are making out. They would have to find a new piece of land, preferably in London, with good transport links, not near any flats/houses, that is large enough and for sale that they can get planning for to get the same level of business. This isn't moving a corner shop.
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Stick them out in the estuary tbh :D.
 
This is TERRIBLE. The MoS club is iconic and something of a landmark for clubs not just in England but Europe and the rest of the world.

The mention of clubs encouraging drink related problems are incorrect, the society and culture we have has caused that. Clubs are an escape for tens/hundreds of thousands of people every weekend, its a way for the youth to express themselves whilst remaining in the safety of a controlled environment.

We are now living in an area of an array of music that can touch people and allow people to enjoy themselves more than ever before. The people that have no interest or concern for this club closing are the people that have no interested in the clubbing scene or have not been to such SUPER CLUBS.

If you have no concern then you haven't been to one of these super clubs with the right DJ.
 
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