astraweb blocked by sky

I can access through a proxy.

TraceRoute to 207.246.207.111 [www.astraweb.com]

Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 1 0 0 206.123.64.46 -
2 0 0 0 8.9.232.73 xe-5-3-0.edge3.dallas1.level3.net
3 0 0 0 4.69.145.126 vlan70.csw2.dallas1.level3.net
4 0 0 0 4.69.151.146 ae-73-73.ebr3.dallas1.level3.net
5 32 32 32 4.69.132.77 ae-3-3.ebr2.losangeles1.level3.net
6 41 41 41 4.69.148.202 ae-6-6.ebr2.sanjose5.level3.net
7 41 45 49 4.69.148.109 ae-1-100.ebr1.sanjose5.level3.net
8 41 41 41 4.69.148.138 ae-5-5.ebr1.sanjose1.level3.net
9 41 41 41 4.69.153.10 ae-81-81.csw3.sanjose1.level3.net
10 42 42 42 4.69.152.148 ae-3-80.edge8.sanjose1.level3.net
11 99 203 199 4.53.30.142 searchtech.edge8.sanjose1.level3.net
12 45 44 44 207.246.207.111 111.sjc.astraweb.com
Trace complete
 
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KIA said:
He has no need for SSL if he's on Sky LLU.
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SSL isnt there to get around the possibility of bandwidth caps, it would be hit and miss for that since the ISP could throttle/block traffic coming from certain internet sites irrespective of what port it was travelling over.

Its there so that my ISP cannot see what I am downloading. If you search and download NZBs from SSL enabled sites and then download the files from SSL enabled news servers then no one outside that trio knows what is going on.

Privacy is the name of the game.
 
dbmzk1 said:
Why would he have no need for ssl on sky?
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Really? LLU doesnt mean this :\ LLU is just where the ISP host their kit in the exchange rather than using BT's own kit.

It has nothing to do with privacy, and yes you still need SSL, otherwise providers can trace what type of traffic you are downloading.
 
Sky doesn't give a damn as long as the content isn't totally obscene. You're a tad paranoid if you think your ISP is going to "trace" you.
 
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KIA said:
Sky doesn't give a damn as long as the content isn't totally obscene. You're a tad paranoid if you think your ISP is going to "trace" you.
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You're a tad stupid if you don't think your ISP will hand over all your details if asked...
 
just to add that although my last post could be perceived as being a tad harsh, Sky handed over thousands of customers details with very little persuasion in the infamous ACS:Law case a while back. I can't remember, but I believe they were the ISP who handed over the second most details, and didn't blink once. If you do obtain illegal content through Sky, and don't take steps to protect yourself, you could be in for a nasty shock.

Also, BT and Virgin and TalkTalk were involved in handing over large numbers too - any of the largeish ISP's will hand the details over if it goes to court
 
3dcandy said:
You're a tad stupid if you don't think your ISP will hand over all your details if asked...
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3dcandy said:
just to add that although my last post could be perceived as being a tad harsh, Sky handed over thousands of customers details with very little persuasion in the infamous ACS:Law case a while back. I can't remember, but I believe they were the ISP who handed over the second most details, and didn't blink once. If you do obtain illegal content through Sky, and don't take steps to protect yourself, you could be in for a nasty shock.

Also, BT and Virgin and TalkTalk were involved in handing over large numbers too - any of the largeish ISP's will hand the details over if it goes to court
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USENET is not BitTorrent. Nobody cares about downloaders.
 
ok..not yet, but it will come believe me. Somebody will decide it's a way to bring people to court and there you go. Torrents got noticed because they were getting mainstream. People are now moving away from torrents...
 
3dcandy said:
You're a tad stupid if you don't think your ISP will hand over all your details if asked...
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That's the thing they need to be asked, they don't trace and track every single file that a person gets. The cost to trace every person would be massive, they'd also have to have someone checking every picture and every byte of file. Can you really imagine sky or any other isp tracking up to a million users or more downloads?.

Most if not all of it is done by your IP, if you visit a dodgy site your ip is logged on that site. The owner or the person snooping the website will then know your ip and it's upto the owner to know exactly what you did on that site before he asks the isp for details such as address For example If i visit a site and look at two women going at it the isp won't be tracking and tracing that picture and someone at the isp wont see the picture too!. However If i visit a website that's a trap they will have my ip address and ask the ISP for extra details based on the IP.

Regarding torrents, when you downloading from a torrent your ip shows up in the list, all a person needs to do is use a bot on the torrent and collect all the ips then get the details from the isp. Why would they need to this if the isp was tracking and tracing anyway?
 
of course they don't track and trace, but they comply with a request for IP's almost immediately. Torrents are trackeable, so are most downloads if you take the time as you can follow the packets through. People who believe that using newsgroups without SSL means they are immune must realise that if somebody wanted to trace them they can. Astraweb give free SSL so why not take advantage of it? I bet you don't leave your wireless unencrypted do you? If they use a bot on torrents, then they could use a bot on newsgroups? Every packet can be traced, it's when it becomes financially viable that they do it...

You can argue the point until the bovines come home...SSL is just one of many tools you can use to keep your privacy intact. What you do with your connection is up to you, but likewise, what your ISP does with the details they keep about you is up to them..
 
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ok..not yet, but it will come believe me. Somebody will decide it's a way to bring people to court and there you go. Torrents got noticed because they were getting mainstream. People are now moving away from torrents...
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No, it won't. The anti-piracy brigade don't like torrents because peers share the files with others automatically. This is not the case with USENET, they just go after the provider instead. http://torrentfreak.com/major-usenet-provider-shuts-down-following-court-order-111106/


3dcandy said:
People who believe that using newsgroups without SSL means they are immune must realise that if somebody wanted to trace them they can.
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Nobody cares about downloaders as they're not responsible for distributing the files.

Astraweb give free SSL so why not take advantage of it? I bet you don't leave your wireless unencrypted do you? If they use a bot on torrents, then they could use a bot on newsgroups? Every packet can be traced, it's when it becomes financially viable that they do it...
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Anyone can connect to a public tracker and harvest the IP addresses. The same can't be said for USENET.

You can argue the point until the bovines come home...SSL is just one of many tools you can use to keep your privacy intact. What you do with your connection is up to you, but likewise, what your ISP does with the details they keep about you is up to them..
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The ISP doesn't give a damn as long as the money keeps coming in and they don't receive court orders.
 
KIA said:
Post a traceroute without a proxy...
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it was without a proxy. i was just commenting on how i could access the site through a proxy. i can also access the site directly using the ip address.

TraceRoute to 216.151.153.111 [www.astraweb.com]

Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 1 0 0 206.123.64.46 -
2 0 0 0 8.9.232.73 xe-5-3-0.edge3.dallas1.level3.net
3 1 0 0 4.69.145.126 vlan70.csw2.dallas1.level3.net
4 0 0 0 4.69.151.146 ae-73-73.ebr3.dallas1.level3.net
5 32 32 32 4.69.132.77 ae-3-3.ebr2.losangeles1.level3.net
6 52 50 48 4.69.148.202 ae-6-6.ebr2.sanjose5.level3.net
7 42 50 53 4.69.148.142 ae-5-5.ebr4.sanjose1.level3.net
8 42 43 42 4.69.153.33 ae-34-34.ebr2.sanjose1.level3.net
9 42 42 42 4.69.153.22 ae-72-72.csw2.sanjose1.level3.net
10 42 42 42 4.69.152.84 ae-2-70.edge8.sanjose1.level3.net
11 45 45 45 4.53.30.142 searchtech.edge8.sanjose1.level3.net
12 45 45 45 216.151.153.111 unknown.sj.astraweb.com
Trace complete
 
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Now I'm confused - your first hop is straight to 206.123.64.46, which appears to be in the US... Am I missing something really obvious here??
 
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