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Gents, while the pictures are very nice there's a distinct risk of this just turning into a babe thread and that's simply going to get closed.

Slightly more on topic I had a visit from a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses last weekend and ended up having a bit of a conversation with them about what it means to be an agnostic (mildly surprisingly for me one of them thought that it meant to have a belief in something spiritual but that it was undefined/unclear precisely what it was) and why we do or don't believe in a particular god. It was slightly unfortunate timing in that I was planning to go out so had to cut short the conversation despite them being a shade more tenacious than the previous Witnesses that have come to the door but in keeping with my general theory on such matters being polite but firm about having to leave meant that we could part with no ill-feeling from either party.
 
Did anyone watch that program on sun, sex and suspicious parents? There was a couple on there who constantly said that they were Jehovah witnesses, about twenty times throughout the whole show. I dislike it when people use religion as an answer, such as "We don't like scantily clad women because we are Jehovah witnesses". Please actually give me a real reason and not a get out clause.
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Castiel said:
Yes he is serious. If I recall he is a Jehovah Witness and I am an affront to his religion.
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Very unlikely. Jehovah's Witnesses don't engage in forum-based discussions for the most part (I'm sure there are a few who do). The official line is that forum-based (anon) discussions are typically not productive (subject to trolling, etc, and people mostly want to argue rather than listen).

Jehovah's Witnesses typically minister to people face-to-face. Occasionally on the telephone. Publications are available on CD/DVD for those with PCs. Bible studies are typically conducted in your own home.

Jehovah's Witnesses are nice people. Genuine people. They get a lot of bad press for no good reason. They won't ever attack you or your beliefs/lifestyle in a hostile way. That simply is not their modus operandi.

I know a good deal about them and I have nothing bad to say about them. That is why I feel I should defend them here.
 
FoxEye said:
Very unlikely. Jehovah's Witnesses don't engage in forum-based discussions for the most part (I'm sure there are a few who do). The official line is that forum-based (anon) discussions are typically not productive (subject to trolling, etc, and people mostly want to argue rather than listen).

Jehovah's Witnesses typically minister to people face-to-face. Occasionally on the telephone. Publications are available on CD/DVD for those with PCs. Bible studies are typically conducted in your own home.

Jehovah's Witnesses are nice people. Genuine people. They get a lot of bad press for no good reason. They won't ever attack you or your beliefs/lifestyle in a hostile way. That simply is not their modus operandi.

I know a good deal about them and I have nothing bad to say about them. That is why I feel I should defend them here.
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I have a great deal of experience with them....including lengthy discussion on this very forum.

I suppose it does depend on what you call hostile I suppose, especially to those who are former members or question their belieffs and interpretations.

I was once called an affront to God by two of their Elders in my pwn home....for no more reason than giving one of the accolytes that called on me a book about early Christianity...a real one rather than the Watchtower interpretation.

As individuals they are a well presented, polite and uninposing, however if you actively undermine their faith they can also be quite the opposite.
 
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Castiel, I'm not saying you're wrong, but do be wary of people claiming to be JW's on the internet. Ex-members sometimes have a nasty habit of trying to spread disinformation and may try to mislead people.

As I said, the official line, last time I checked (I can check anytime I like, so I might just do that), is that internet witnessing is not encouraged. For the reasons I stated above.

Oh and Witnesses encourage everybody to question their beliefs. The encourage everyone to study the Bible, and the often will agree that some things are a matter of conscience, because the Bible does not explicitly permit or forbid many things in our modern world.

They do not, I can tell you with certainty, discourage anyone from questioning their teachings.

Ex-members are a different issue. Ex-members are kept at arms length, and viewed as a potential corrupting influence. As I said, ex-members can be very angry and hostile to the organisation, and some make it their goal to hurt the organisation any way they can.
 
FoxEye said:
Castiel, I'm not saying you're wrong, but do be wary of people claiming to be JW's on the internet. Ex-members sometimes have a nasty habit of trying to spread disinformation and may try to mislead people.

As I said, the official line, last time I checked (I can check anytime I like, so I might just do that), is that internet witnessing is not encouraged. For the reasons I stated above.

Oh and Witnesses encourage everybody to question their beliefs. The encourage everyone to study the Bible, and the often will agree that some things are a matter of conscience, because the Bible does not explicitly permit or forbid many things in our modern world.

They do not, I can tell you with certainty, discourage anyone from questioning their teachings.

Ex-members are a different issue. Ex-members are kept at arms length, and viewed as a potential corrupting influence. As I said, ex-members can be very angry and hostile to the organisation, and some make it their goal to hurt the organisation any way they can.
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I'm not sure whether jmc is a JW or not...I cannot recall which is why I included the gamut of evangelical or primitivist interpretations.

However, as ypu have had personal experience, so have I and have first hand seen the way in which as an organisation they treat those who leave or question their specific faith in ways that are not seen as bone fide are oastracized and generally treated in a very poor way. Many of those ex members have every right and good reason to be both angry and hostile.

There is a discussion here:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18332582

That covers pretty much everything I have said.
 
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