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So who's getting a 7950 today?

[WU-TANG]GZA;21158717 said:
That is what you said and all I am trying to say is it is unfair to compair price/performance from a second hand card to a brand new card on launch day.
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As I said my post was a reply that was directed toward a specific member of whom I quoted. Putting that aside, even if not talking about 2nd hand value, as people have pointed out that value wise for these new cards are quite poor, as the cost of 7950 3GB is nearly enough to get a pair of NEW 6950 2GB, which will be faster by quite a margin! 7950 3GB is like 75% price increase comparing to 6950 2GB, but does it offer performance increase anywhere close to that amount of %?

And you said my posts sounded angry? May be it does, but that is because you just taken what I commented and put into propective for the person which I quoted with the consideration toward his circumstance, and turned it into a open statement.

Either way, these are the simply facts...is the 7950 a decent and fast card? Yes it is. But is it good value? Definitely not. People will buy them, but those that do would be parting with the cash unwillingly (and possibly cursing at AMD's high price at the same time); as for those that just buying the card without even thinking twice, they simply got more money than sense.
 
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'Meh' is how the reviews make me feel. Given my 570 OC to near 580 speeds, the 7950 performance is not an incentive on its own for me to even consider it at 1920x1080. I was hoping for more from both 7970 and 7950, and all it seems to me is AMD has just matched Nvidia's 580 range with a little bit more headroom for overclocking. Also given that they compete almost directly with the 580 cards, I was hoping that they would have priced a little lower - giving people more of an incentive to go AMD over Nvidia. At present a lot of the cards are around £20-50 difference compared to some 1.5GB and 3GB 580's if you browse all the various sites, but it still isn't low enough in my opinion for them to win people over. However, I do feel AMD will reduce prices as soon as Nvidia reduce theirs. It's only a matter of time before they do. Until then, as it stands, neither is a great buy - yet, anyway.

I eagerly wait the soon-to-come price war with AMD and Nvidia - then you'll get good value for money from both sides.:p
 
Marine-RX179 said:
As I said my post was a reply that was directed toward a specific member of whom I quoted. Putting that aside, even if not talking about 2nd hand value, as people have pointed out that value wise for these new cards are quite poor, as the cost of 7950 3GB is nearly enough to get a pair of NEW 6950 2GB, which will be faster by quite a margin! 7950 3GB is like 75% price increase comparing to 6950 2GB, but does it offer performance increase anywhere close to that amount of %?

And you said my posts sounded angry? May be it does, but that is because you just taken what I commented and put into propective for the person which I quoted with the consideration toward his circumstance, and turned it into a open statement.

Either way, these are the simply facts...is the 7950 a decent and fast card? Yes it is. But is it good value? Definitely not. People will buy them, but those that do would be parting with the cash unwillingly (and possibly cursing at AMD's high price at the same time); as for those that just buying the card without even thinking twice, they simply got more money than sense.
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I know you were just giving him specifically advice ie. that it was a more affordable upgrade to go from 200 series to a 2nd hand 5850, but you went on to quantify it with price performance which I don't think is fair, no. More importantly the percentages didn't seem right.

And you said my posts sounded angry? May be it does, but that is because you just taken what I commented and put into propective for the person which I quoted with the consideration toward his circumstance, and turned it into a open statement.
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You get angry easily then, I think you should calm or perhaps get angry about things that actually matter?

Yes 6950CF is not much more price-wise than a 7950 well actually cheapest is £400 on OcUK and cheapest 7950 is £350 which is what? 13% (using my head)? Add together, mutli GPU problems Vs single card solutions, lower power consumption etc the price doesn't seem that bad.

7950 3GB is like 75% price increase comparing to 6950 2GB, but does it offer performance increase anywhere close to that amount of %?
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I know you have already stated that the 580 wasn't "good value" either but I wonder if as many people kicked off about it as people are about the 7000 series pricing? The same argument example could be used with the 560Ti 2GB and the 580 1.5GB.

It just seems people are kicking off when the "people's champ" AMD are squeezing money out of us but don't bat an eyelid when Nvidia do it (I'm not saying you personally here Marine) and it annoys me.

I've got the day off work today, we could debate this all day/week/year :D

But I'm sure we've got better things to do.
 
tbh a 6950 or the new 7800 series will be best gaming card value wise for 1920x1080

even a 6950 oc should match just about a 7950 at stock and you save 150 quid !

too dear should be 300 max . see these dropping to that within a month.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
Except you are forgetting that you are comparing a new card that offer on simliar performance to a card that's gonna gracefully retire/EOL soon (reminds me of the Rocky Balboa movie :p)? And majority of the people that game at 1920 res see that 1.5GB of VRAM being enough, so paying a premium on the extra 1.5GB VRAM is a bit pointless since it doesn't improve performance 98% of the time.

What's AMD is doing wrong is that they are releasing 1.5GB version of 79xx far too late, and the overall pricing of their cards IS too high. A card that comes a year later, cost the same as a card with simliar performance that was already available over a year ago is hardly impressive (another example is 6870 vs 5850...was 6870 good value IF it been priced the same as 5850 launch price of £200-£220 and with the price STAYED THERE?).
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It'll take a brave man to buy a 1.5GB card now, and pay a lot of money for it. I remember when 1GB cards first came out and people were going MEH, not needed and they ended up getting poked in the eye very quickly. New engines are doing new things with VRAM, such as BF3 which can use a lot as a cache to stop data being moved around your system.

I honestly think you'd have to be mental to buy a 1.5GB 7950 especially when you consider RAM is cheap and it won't make big difference, but saying that, whilst the 7970/7950 is priced to match the current market, I also think those who manage to wait a couple of months will end up being rewarded.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
tbh a 6950 or the new 7800 series will be best gaming card value wise for 1920x1080

even a 6950 oc should match just about a 7950 at stock and you save 150 quid !

too dear should be 300 max . see these dropping to that within a month.
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I noticed no real gains from a 6950/70 @ 1080p over a 7970 @ 1080p so there will be no difference with the 7950. I'm talking about ingame noticeable with the eye difference not benchmark scores.

I have 3 of the HIS 7950's on order that should be here today/tomorrow so will see how it fairs when they arrive.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
Pricing aside, I think one of the biggest problem with the 79xx card is that it has the same problem as the 69xx that it suffer quite heavy drop on frame rate when MSAA is applied on games that uses Frostbite2 engine (the 7950 is around 10% slower than the GTX580 at 1920 res 4xMSAA in BF3 according to AnandTech)...and EA is set to release most of their new games on the said engine...
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That's about the only thing about ATI/AMD cards I don't like. They're great in many ways, but compared to Nvidia they're poor when it comes to AA. Seems to nearly always have been the case.
 
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So the point of the 7950 is what?

to save 50 quid over a 7970?


Surely @ this price bracket its like saving a fiver over having the fastest

Silly pricing imo
 
@ bakes - Probably for minimums and averages, but not much in it at all regarding maximums. The extra memory will of course help at very high resolutions.
 
bakes0310 said:
I got a 5970 is a 7950 better card or not?
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At the res in your sig yes. Then again the 5970 BE is 4GB/2GB usable so it's still a decent card. Overclocked the 7950 will be a fair bit faster than the 5970 and without the need for crossfire drivers/profiles.
 
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