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Gibbo are the 7950's actually selling?

I am sure the retailers would love to be selling all they could get their hands on. I agree with Gibbo, 299 and people would be buying these, at this price they would represent excellent value.

I think people feel a bit disappointed because they represent 580 performance at 580 prices. Which has been available for a long time. Its not anything new or at a perceived value for money price point.

If AMD lowered their prices to 299 for the 7950 and 399 for the 7970 they would be on to a massive winner.
 
easyrider's got a point. amd shot them self in the foot with the bulldozer flop. now they are trying to claw back the money with these new cards. amd could have been smart with the price rather than being gready.

it will all happen again, same as bulldog/sandybridge, nvidia will bring thair cards out at decent price and amd will **** themselves.

and this comes from an ati fanboy
 
AMD just need then to sell at the speed they can ship them out, there's no great benefit if they sell out and no replacement stock is available.

January is probably a bad month to release in, but it's not like they have a choice in this market.

Given Nvidia's track record don't expect any amazing bargains from them either. :)
 
why would amd ask for less money than nvidias card while it gives same or more performance at lower wattage.
sure the 580 is over a year old but they dont have anything new out atm so charge what you want(within reason) when your on top.
If the cards just dont shift then lower prices, or nvidia lowers their prices so that the performance per £ is in their favor.
 
You have the answer:

Gibbo said:
Hi there

Sales are there but I personally feel they could be better if AMD were say hitting £299 Inc for them.

But in response to your question they are moving at a steady pace, just not selling like hot cakes, but are certainly at no risk of not selling. :)
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TBH, i feel amd have been way too conservative with the performance.

If the 7970 had blown the 580 out of the water (and i don't mean a little bit/when overclocked) then it would have shifted much better at the price point. IE, if it was much better performing but had a considerably better price:performance.

The 7950 with 7970 performance would again shift well at the current price point.

As for the 7950 having 580 performance at that price and the wattage comment, seriously? How many gamers actually care one jot about wattage? Very few, if you can afford £350-£500 on a gpu then your leccy bill is irrelevant!



The whole 79** has been a bit meh for me tbh.
 
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i said the same thing when the 7970 came out

if they were around or just under £350 id have 2 in my system right now

BigAndy87 said:
why would amd ask for less money than nvidias card while it gives same or more performance at lower wattage.
sure the 580 is over a year old but they dont have anything new out atm so charge what you want(within reason) when your on top.
If the cards just dont shift then lower prices, or nvidia lowers their prices so that the performance per £ is in their favor.
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because its not as good is it? its just hitting year old tech so the premium isnt there, the fact is nvidia has more fanboys than nvidia anyway so to pry the nvidia fanboys from waiting for the 6xx then they need to be cheap to get the sale before nvidia release as we all know nvidia will be back ontop its not like they have to increase there current performance by much is it? and if nvidia cant improve by 10% in 12 months then they dont deserve the sales
 
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It's beyond belief that they are calling this the next generation of gpu's when it's really just barely over the last generations performance and people are defending amd. More fool to the people funding AMD for the privilege of their wallet being skinned for this last gen performance.
 
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rare said:
I am sure the retailers would love to be selling all they could get their hands on. I agree with Gibbo, 299 and people would be buying these, at this price they would represent excellent value.

I think people feel a bit disappointed because they represent 580 performance at 580 prices. Which has been available for a long time. Its not anything new or at a perceived value for money price point.

If AMD lowered their prices to 299 for the 7950 and 399 for the 7970 they would be on to a massive winner.
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That would depend on their margins, something we don't know. If reducing the retail price halves their profit they have to sell twice as many. If they can't make twice as many they would make less profit for more outlay.

So unless you know what they are making per unit you can't be sure about your "massive winner" :)
 
Sasahara said:
AMD just need then to sell at the speed they can ship them out, there's no great benefit if they sell out and no replacement stock is available.
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That's not actually true, if consumer items are seen to sell out, it can actually encourage people to buy who were borderline, and that in itself can drive sales momentum.

The Wii is perhaps one of the greatest examples of this during its first or second christmas, the fact they were hard to get actually drove demand up.

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For my own point, I'd have liked to have a get a new 7 series card with the power and noise improvements, but at the rate we're going, I won't bother for now. As others have said, there's no major titles driving the need right now, and the hardware itself doesn't offer me any major reasons to shell the amount they're asking for.
This is coming from someone who used to regularly spend over £200 on a GPU.
 
Cupra said:
i said the same thing when the 7970 came out

if they were around or just under £400 id have 2 in my system right now



because its not as good is it? its just hitting year old tech so the premium isnt there, the fact is nvidia has more fanboys than nvidia anyway so to pry the nvidia fanboys from waiting for the 6xx then they need to be cheap to get the sale before nvidia release as we all know nvidia will be back ontop its not like they have to increase there current performance by much is it?
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same 480's gone hello 7970's.
 
Sasahara said:
That would depend on their margins, something we don't know. If reducing the retail price halves their profit they have to sell twice as many. If they can't make twice as many they would make less profit for more outlay.

So unless you know what they are making per unit you can't be sure about your "massive winner" :)
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the can sell the 7950 for £350 so they could sell the 7970 for the same price

if anything they could have binned the 7950 sold the 7970 @ £350 and would have sold 3 times as many probably more
 
Well of course, my last couple of words are perhaps best not taken too seriously.

My feeling is just this, a lot of people would like to buy these cards. A lot of us like to upgrade, even if we don't necessarily need to. A lot of people like AMD and want to buy their products. But the problem is at the moment the perception of value isn't there for a lot of people. And this is something that historically they have always been good at and are known for. Im not talking about paying £200 for a high end part, but to me they are currently just priced a little too strong, to the point where they are perhaps alienating potential customers who would rather wait and see if the price comes down.
 
Cupra said:
the can sell the 7950 for £350 so they could sell the 7970 for the same price

if anything they could have binned the 7950 sold the 7970 @ £350 and would have sold 3 times as many probably more
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yeah, I think the 7950 and the 7970 cost the same to make.
 
I thnk they have to come in at £299.99, that way they're under cutting the 580GTX, there's enough gap like there was with the 6950 and 6970... the 7950 overclocked will beat a 580GTX so to me, they need to come in under that price, if not... thery'll just get stagnation which I think is what's happening a little here... shame as it's a fine card and clocks well, at £299 I think it's a bargain.
 
I think if they reduced the price by just £50 on average, so the 7950 is £300, and the 7970 is £400, then they would be selling an awful lot more cards, but being greedy by an extra £50, that is the reason they are not selling too well. They would be onto a winner if they announced slight price cuts!
 
simple reason is like said by others they arnt 299 where they should have been launched

next month or shortly after they will be
 
Locky said:
yeah, I think the 7950 and the 7970 cost the same to make.
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The 7970 would cost more and it's a selection process from what I understand. The 7950 are wafers that didn't make the 7970 grade. The 7970 also uses premium parts compared to the 7950.

The big problem with the "they will sell loads more if they were cheaper" is "only" if they can make more. With limited prduction capacity, having low prices not being able to meet demarnd could hurt them more. This is what happend with the 5870 to some extent. Great price, but demand out paced supply.

But as no one here has AMDs production capacity & margin data you can't make any logical statements on what would be better for them either way.

Cheaper prices would be better for us and probably retailers like OC.
 
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Sasahara said:
But as no one here has AMDs production capacity & margin data you can't make any logical statements on what would be better for them either way.
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I know none of us have that information (Unless there is an AMD employee among us) but just saying based on personal preference, and the general consensus here, and if AMD had asked questions to the public, then based on pure volume of sales, they would be a lot more in profit right now

Think of it in terms of pound shops, the "pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap" idea works for them, and is the biggest growth sectors around
 
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